in case anyone is incredibly bored tonight. i'm all by myself tonight and my dog has already been taken out, so this is going to be a wednesday night epiiiic stream
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 February 2018 04:43 (one year ago) link
Watched for a little while. Those levels look pretty hard!
― DJI, Thursday, 1 February 2018 04:58 (one year ago) link
they are intensely hard! room 4 of ch. 3 b-side now
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 February 2018 04:58 (one year ago) link
ok WHOA, say what you want about the windy level, but the crystal heart for it is the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeest of all time. i have never thought so highly of a collectible.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 February 2018 07:40 (one year ago) link
only like four strawberries in but this is very nice
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 1 February 2018 08:13 (one year ago) link
Karl, I watched yr videos (I've never watched Twitch before!), that looks intense
I think I may regrettably have to accept that, if I struggled to even beat the first boss on Shovel Knight, Celeste may not be the Game For Me
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:04 (one year ago) link
Yeah Karl has cured me of my thirst for this :/
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:16 (one year ago) link
I saw that crystal heart (vanilla run through) but I didn't know how to jump up to it and gave up
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:45 (one year ago) link
fwiw the vanilla levels are not nearly as hard as the ones karl is playing there
― ciderpress, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:57 (one year ago) link
Oh yeah, I was mainly working on the chapter 3 b-side and that was intense. It took about 500-600 deaths to get through!Andrew I feel bad if I ruined it for you! ciderpress is right about the vanilla game not being nearly so hard. The first chapter in particular is a gem of level design, gradually teaching the skills of the game to newcomers. If I have time later tonight I’d be happy to do a leisurely chapter one strawberry hunt! I’ll let y’all know here if I do.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:15 (one year ago) link
fgtiLet’s just say that to get to it you have to think about the game’s influences. I couldn’t believe it when it actually worked!
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:17 (one year ago) link
No I get that - I am a 100%er, so I have to think about these before comitting (and anyway I have a looong backlist even in just this genre - re-united with my Wii-U after a while and I've still got Mario Galaxy 2 let alone the two Wii-U Marios and the Rayman).
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:24 (one year ago) link
oh, i gotcha. i am generally not a 100%er. i end up quitting most games long before i reach the end, let alone all the collectibles. i think i'm gonna give 100% a shot on this game a shot, but it's going to be rough.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:40 (one year ago) link
But they're still really hard! A lot harder than Shovel Knight.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:49 (one year ago) link
Fuck I just saw a walkthrough and I literally thought "SMB3" when I saw that white box and should've tried that very thing
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 1 February 2018 16:34 (one year ago) link
Godammit this game is very clever and good
Beat chapter 8 last night, some great new mechanics in that level
Karl when will u stream again
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:36 (one year ago) link
oh man, i still haven't even gotten access to chapter 8! i only have 2 of the crystal hearts.
i might actually have a go this afternoon! so far i have all the strawberries in the first 4 chapters, and the b-sides for the first 3. working on the b-side for the 4th. i was also able to record zero-death runs for the first three chapters, but i'm not sure if i'll ever be able to do it for chapter 4. shit is hard.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:39 (one year ago) link
on a related note, the music for the 4th chapter b-side is my favorite of the game so far.
if i had more energy and willpower and research and writing abilities i would write an enormous essay on endlessly looping music, including stuff like hold music for insurance companies but primarily as it's used in video games. the ch. 4 b-side theme is not the best example of what i'm thinking because it is more of just a really long kickass song with identifiable movements that is made to seamlessly loop. but sometimes in other games i'll enter the pause menu, or the title screen, and spend some time appreciating the really thoughtful loop that someone has created for the purpose. it is it's own genre, i think, and it deserves more recognition.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:44 (one year ago) link
fyi after you complete all the regular levels and b sides you unlock golden strawberries which you get from deathless runs, idk if they're retroactive so you might want to hold off on those
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:45 (one year ago) link
oh shit, thank you! i will hold off on attempting deathless runs for the rest of the chapters, then.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:47 (one year ago) link
are you working on 100% completing the game ciderpress? how far are you?
I'm not going for 100% anytime soon, haven't finished the b sides yet
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:48 (one year ago) link
Karl what's your twitch name?
I don't have the means to stream myself, but if I could i'd totally kick the shit out of link to the past for y'all
― Evan, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:51 (one year ago) link
i am weinventyou on twitch
and yeah, that would be awesome! i have gotten 3/4 of the way through LTTP so many times, but never beaten it ;_;
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link
evan if you ever have questions about the streaming stuff, just let me know. i am very much an amateur but i struggled through a lot of technical issues when i first started and might be able to point you in the right direction at least.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:56 (one year ago) link
streaming pc games is simple, i have no clue how to stream from a switch though
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:02 (one year ago) link
i assume you need a video card that has hdmi in, which mine doesn't
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link
at least on ps4, streaming is built into it - i just hit the share button, connect it to my twitch, and i'm pretty much ready to go. not sure about switch > twitch, though
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:14 (one year ago) link
streaming pc games is simple
i found streaming mac games to be not nearly as simple as i thought it would be, although i am also a bumbling fool in general. my biggest issue was with sound, specifically with routing the correct audio channels to the stream while still being able to hear everything locally. it sounds like it would be easy but for me it involved a combo of OBS, wavtap, soundflower, and multi-output settings in my sound preferences
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:20 (one year ago) link
ah I only have experience with windows that must be it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:22 (one year ago) link
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I appreciate that! My main deterrent is that my wife would probably get really worried that I was starting to go down some alarming LTTP speed running rabbit hole. We're fascinated and horrified by some of the career streamers we see grinding games for 6+ hours straight. Just seems unhealthy. Of course I wouldn't do that, nor is it inevitable. The closest I've come to streaming was sharing my screen during a skype call so a friend overseas could watch me play a LTTP randomizer.
― Evan, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:30 (one year ago) link
ok, working on ch4 b-side now
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:45 (one year ago) link
You guys are total pros. I have hit two points in the first chapter or whatever - Forbidden City? - that have totally stumped me. The first I had to figure out by watching some online play through, this second one ... I hope it doesn't come to that, but I have no idea how to even leave the screen I'm on. Found my first b-side cassette, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:20 (one year ago) link
i keep thinking i have reached the end of the b-side, and there's another screen
cloud jump/boost mechanics are always my achilles heel, ever since SMB3, so the stages which depend on them are total nightmares for me
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:46 (one year ago) link
OK, took me about 3 hours and almost 1000 deaths ... to finish the first chapter! With just 6 strawberries, too. On the other hand, I did it!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:14 (one year ago) link
just breathe, you can do this
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:30 (one year ago) link
tell that to my thumb
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:33 (one year ago) link
lol, yeah my thumb hurts as well. i tried the analog stick but i just can't control it as well as the d-pad.
nice job on persevering through the first chapter! believe it or not, the mechanics that you learn in that first chapter will carry you through the entire game. each chapter might add a new element to the mix, but really it's just a matter of applying the basic moves again and again (albeit in more and more tense situations).
i am going to dive back into ch. 5 in a bit - found all the strawberries, but i just need to find the tape and then *gulp* beat the b-side
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:45 (one year ago) link
I’m all analog stick on this, definitely took some training to be able to nail the diagonals consistently but I’m much worse at diagonal inputs on a dpad
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:19 (one year ago) link
PHEW. just finished the b-side of chapter 5. i didn't like the music for it! bummer. it reminds me of how much it adds to the game when it's good (which is most of the time)
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:45 (one year ago) link
ciderpress or silby or fgti or anyone else - can you pull off anything in this video?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 9 February 2018 05:08 (one year ago) link
I just watched you beat that b-side. Thank god for fast forward. 100% otm about the music in that stage, it’s really obtrusive.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 9 February 2018 05:36 (one year ago) link
yeah, it was brutal. 667 deaths, iirc!
in general, i really like searching for all the strawberries, finding the b-sides, and the crystal hearts. the completion of the actual b-sides has been a bit more agonizing than fun. but fuck, i gotta do it
― Karl Malone, Friday, 9 February 2018 05:41 (one year ago) link
I can pull off the dash-cancel into the jump, you can do a similar thing in Towerfall. I didn’t know about the variations where you hold down and dash or dash down-diagonal and then do a boosted jump so you can have your dash back in midair.
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Friday, 9 February 2018 06:06 (one year ago) link
ooh i wanna try those but unfortunately i am in a room in ch. 3 b-side that has no navigable room to jump around in and is also impossible >;(
this game is so sweet tho. i don't know if i'm necessarily still not awful at it but i've def gotten better at acting within the increments of time the game wants you to act within. i beat the main storyline in about 11hrs & got to/thru chap 8, now going back for all the everythings which i am never tempted to do in any game.
― sleepingbag, Friday, 9 February 2018 06:13 (one year ago) link
eventually settled on analog stick only, much like while playing fifa i occasionally think 'i swear i wasn't pushing in that direction' immediately after my player character careens off someway, but overall it feels a little better than d pad
― sleepingbag, Friday, 9 February 2018 06:16 (one year ago) link
I... I can't perfect world one. I have tried for an hour.
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 February 2018 07:09 (one year ago) link
ah god I've slowed down to the rate of about 30 minutes per screen now. this is gonna go on forever.
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 9 February 2018 09:59 (one year ago) link
^^^^ it took me at least 15 minutes to do 90% of the screens in the game. BUT i never got to one that i couldn't beat in a reasonable amount of time UNTIL this stupid room on b-side 3 which i've been stuck on for days
i have no idea how to do this and i've watched 3 different ppl beat it in vods. apparently you need to jump toward the very tops of all the walls so you don't waste stamina jumping/climbing up and down. but i can't really do that, i've tried hundreds of times and can't just land right on the exact spots. so i have to climb a little, and then run out of stamina right at the end. even with no stamina i might be able to make the last jump from the right side of the right upper ledge onto the right side of the one below it and then immediately off to the right and in, but... hasn't happened yet.
also i was hoping that this was near the end of the level but in the speedrun vid i clicked it turns out this is like 6 minutes into a 35 min video o_o
that said, still somehow i find the challenge of this game inviting. i don't understand why at all. i should have thrown the switch out the window ten times by now.
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:59 (one year ago) link
Sorry I guess. It’s probably my favorite game of all time, if such a thing is meaningful.
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 23 September 2019 15:12 (four months ago) link
As someone who gave up/set it aside pretty early on, but still appreciated what I played, I think it's because it's a super-challenging platformer that isn't based on lucky bullshit, just perseverance. But I think more importantly, those rapid respawns are key. If it took just another few milliseconds to try again, people would have been pissed. (fwiw despite Hollow Knight being a personal all-time fave, I never pursued the harder post-game levels, because like Celeste I ultimately find that stuff more frustrating than fun, even when the game looks gorgeous.)
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 September 2019 15:14 (four months ago) link
It's crazy how much work the developers must have done to create content that's only going to be seen (outside of cheats and youtube videos) by very few ultra-skilled players. I beat the game, but almost all of the B-sides, all of the C-sides and all of Chapter 9 are just impossible for me--and for a lot of other people like me, I think. I'm not complaining, though! It's just amazing that they've put so much effort into the margins
― Dan I., Monday, 23 September 2019 15:58 (four months ago) link
you can turn on assist mode if you want to see it!
7B was a journey
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 23 September 2019 16:07 (four months ago) link
I just started playing the game and finished the first two chapters... Can anyone tell me, without spoiling too much, does anything actually happen if you collect all the strawberries? Or all the crystal hearts? Or are they there just so you can brag about having found all of them?
― Tuomas, Friday, 1 November 2019 14:27 (two months ago) link
The game explicitly tells you that you don’t have to collect the strawberries.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 1 November 2019 15:12 (two months ago) link
Yeah, I know, but I was wondering whether collecting them unlocks some extra content or something.
― Tuomas, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:31 (two months ago) link
strawberries are completely optional. there's a bonus level that needs some hearts to unlock but you don't need all of them iirc.
― ciderpress, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:33 (two months ago) link
― Tuomas, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:36 (two months ago) link
Chapter 9 is a motherfucker. Haven’t messed with the b-sides but I’m sure I’ll get there before the end of the holiday.
― circa1916, Thursday, 26 December 2019 03:10 (one month ago) link
And there are C-Sides? Curious how the difficulty stacks up against Chapter 9, which I am struggling with but chipping away at. Undeniably great platformer, really keeps me coming back.
― circa1916, Thursday, 26 December 2019 03:16 (one month ago) link