My main regret is that reformation post tlc did not sound even slightly like the mammoth hawkwindesque show they played here when the Americans and the current Britishes were briefly all in the lineup together
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:42 PM (seven months ago)
Jon is this the gig you were thinking of?
North 6, Brooklyn, NY 2004-10-15
TRACK LISTING
DISC 1 (57:08)
01 Bo Doodak................................(3:50)02 Boxoctosis...............................(3:30)03 All Clasp Hands..........................(2:57)04 Theme From Sparta F.C....................(3:56)05 Mod Mock Goth............................(4:41)06 Wrong Place, Right Time..................(2:55)07 I Can Hear The Grass Grow................(3:14)08 Mr. Pharmacist...........................(2:06)09 Mountain Energei.........................(4:42)10 What About Us?...........................(7:37)11 Janet, Johnny + James....................(3:12)12 Green-Eyed Loco Man......................(5:10)13 Blindness................................(7:01)14 White Lightning..........................(2:08)
LINE UP
July - December 2004 : lineup # 51 : Mark E. Smith (vocals),Elenor Poulou (keyboards), Ben Pritchard (guitar), Jim Watts (guitar),Steve Trafford (bass), Spencer Birtwistle (drums).
― sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
No... it was definitely in greenpoint not Williamsburg and it was Tim Presley and the other American guy still left over from the post-implosion lineup, plus the newly added Dave the Eagle et al
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Monday, 29 January 2018 02:49 (six years ago) link
thanks, I'll keep looking :)
― sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
ah, found the gig listing at least:
Friday, 2 June 2006 Southpaw, Brooklyn, NY
http://thefall.org/gigography/gig06.html
I do have a recording of that lineup in Pomono CA around 3 weeks prior, 2nd gig with the improvised new lineup, hit me up offline for a copy
― sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 03:58 (six years ago) link
"Pomona" sorry
― sleeve, Monday, 29 January 2018 04:01 (six years ago) link
Oh thanks but I’ve got Pomona and a few other shows from immediately after the implosion, it was so much fun to hear those as the tour progressed Southpaw sounds right venue-wise
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Monday, 29 January 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
The best document of the 'American line up' - who remain my favourite of all the iterations of The Fall I saw live - or the best document that I've heard at least, is the DVD of the Last Night At The Palais (the CD mix is a little thin). I was there and it remains the best rock show I've seen in the last 15 years. The band bar Smith came on really late - even by their own standards, about 11pm, so pretty much at curfew - and there was a really tense atmosphere in the venue (aided no doubt by that weird VJ they used to have on in support around that time doing abrasive glitchy cut ups of Coronation Street or whatever and the fact that quite a few gigs round this time had fizzled out early, so I reckon a lot of people feared a no show) but then they opened with Senior Twilight Stock Replacer extended (on the fly I guess) into this incredibly heavy, taut jam and the already agitated crowd started getting *irate* at the idea that the plug was going to get pulled before he even bothered to come out on stage but were still going mad* to the locked groove. I remember the way that the gaps between Presley disdainfully looking to the wings got shorter and shorter until his nibs finally deigned to come on stage just to wrap the song up in about 30 seconds. If it had ended there it still would have been one of the best Fall shows I saw but when they played Blindness it was near perfect. I felt like I was about to start levitating about six minutes in. During the encore of Reformation the stage filled up with security and then there was the 'Thank you for letting us into your security area, we're off to civilisation, goodnight, thank you' goodbye. When the houselights came up some guy in the audience wanted a souvenir and ripped this huge 7' tall brass standard lamp out of the floor and charged out of the front door with it and sprinted off down the middle of the road with two bouncers in hot pursuit. Such a massive sound that line up made. Such a loss.
*this is the relative madness of Fall fans in London in 2007 I'm talking here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwuRkcqOAbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_DqeOVOaxc
― Doran, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
great description. listening to this now, it's goddamn mighty
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 00:48 (six years ago) link
whenever mark e smith, a 'non musician', commandeers a keyboard, he seems to make the most amazing music with it. it's weird
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:01 (six years ago) link
Yes I had an audience recording of that Palais show and that is a Blindness for the ages
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzAOiA4dH_o
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:58 (six years ago) link
I liked the American lineup best of all the later Fall groups. Don't know why that album seems so unpopular.
― timellison, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
The album just sounds kinda weak compared to how those guys played live. I tried to feel it but just couldn’t.
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:01 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk1TP5EkLS4
"Totally Wired" was the first fall song i heard.
You don't have to be strange to be strangeYou don't have to be weird to be weird
dammit its so good. i have always loved their writing: "Pay your rates" "Industrial estates" "Hex induction hour" so many great phrases and word combinations.
i love the messy keys too! love the noisy guitars. The Fall is so awesome
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:04 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaC9htnMBGE
really like this cover of "A Day in the Life"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:05 (six years ago) link
The American group just had more musicality than what I've heard from the others. "Fall Sound" sounded to me like a celebration of the fact that he, at least momentarily, had some people in the band that really got it. Something like "Coach and Horses" is the kind of thing that the old band used to provide for him.
― timellison, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:19 (six years ago) link
I just bought a copy of that "American lineup" DVD, thanks y'all
― sleeve, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:23 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Lt4ia-PYQ
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link
Apologies, intended for the MES thread, not being The Fall.Or: "Von Südenfed is an incarnation of The Fall": discuss.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYcaaxgFJUU
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
Von Südenfed were the German line-up!
― imago, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
Sudenfed album is so great
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
I bought it on mp3 but then found a copy lying on the sidewalk in Chelsea a month later
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
dear dead friends
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
I was in my gaaaardennnn
― imago, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
Old news at this point I guess, but just learned that the rest of the group will be continuing under the name Imperial Wax.
https://www.facebook.com/Imperialwaxband/
― cwkiii, Monday, 23 April 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
That's nice
― imago, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
The Levitate reissue (my favourite Fall album!) has a killer second disc. Christmastide and a completely altered live Ol' Gang are revelatory
― imago, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link
when did that come out?
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
like two weeks ago? the extra tracks are all from either the bonus disc from 1st pressings or the B-sides of the three "Masquerade" singles.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
the bonus disc was always a favourite with the best version of pilsner trail/plaster on the hands and some v good remixes and minor tracks. masquerade remixes are lasrgely yawn.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
and yes imago otm about ol gang.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 23:15 (five years ago) link
the name of this thread makes me mad every time I see it
― akm, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
Bend Sinister reissue is sounding magnificent, scrubbed of considerable murk
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link
good to know, thanks. I kind of wish they'd stop tacking Peel Sessions on to these reissues but w/e
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link
i like free peel sessions gimme more
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link
no Peel tracks on the 2-LP set...second LP is singles and b-sides and they really sound great
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:33 (five years ago) link
the whole package is well done...includes a repro program for the "Hey! Luciani" play
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link
Bob Stanley & Tessa Norton are doing a book: https://fabersocial.co.uk/2019/04/09/excavate-the-wonderful-and-frightening-world-of-the-fall/
― with hidden noise, Thursday, 11 April 2019 04:45 (five years ago) link
god there used to be so much contention about Bend:Sinister production on the fall message boards. one nine eleven truther troll in particular managing to generate division about whether it was recorded a microsecond too fast or not. need to look into this reissue more carefully. listening to it at the moment but not really getting the full vibes streaming from spotify via a hotel bluetooth speaker.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
A riptide of integrityHe was a blubbering heapHe should have served himself upPreferably in a restaurant with meat
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
Give it a minute...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkqXyTwFt6g
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
Roflz
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link
lovely work
― imago, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
hah love it!
― calzino, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
Fizzles must see this.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:46 (four years ago) link
"it's not Pavement"
DYING
― sleeve, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
"It's not shady lane" looool
This is fantastic-uh
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
good. but i think they missed a trick - the Fall equivalent of that one scene in the trailer with ed sheeran suggesting he rename it "Hey Dude".
(/me tries to think of an example, fails)
― koogs, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 08:39 (four years ago) link
that is amazing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link