Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

hey what's going on with Sherilyn Fenn? posting a lot about a kickstarter for her defense fund? did something happen? couldn't find anything via cursory digging

Her GoFundMe page is pretty self-explanatory?

(as far as that she's got something going on but can't disclose details)

ah i didn't see that. that's a drag, hope it works out

That is not what explanatory means

i mean it's explanatory enough

Michael Ontkean's drunken rages when Truman goes on his post-Josie bender are really lame.

also hadn't recalled Lauren Graham as Norma's sister, or heard this:

http://horrorfreaknews.com/sherilyn-fenn-says-lara-flynn-boyle-put-kibosh-cooper-audrey-love-affair

yea that’s the nadir of S2 imo, it’s so wildly out of character, poorly executed, and just jarring

Morbs, I look forward to your concluding this rewatch and perhaps rejoining us in Worst ongoing plotline in the second season of Twin Peaks (SPOILERS)

Shouty drunken Harry is hilariously bad, clearly out of his comfort zone and not in a fruitful way

Ontkean once perceptively described himself as the "designated driver" among the cast, so in a meta sense it's funny that while the show is all over the road they have him get blind drunk

(It's all worth it for hungover Harry)

Heather Graham as a Waitress/Ex-Nun of Mystery is not great casting either.

People say that "Lynch was gone" for the second half of s2, but Gordon Cole shows up in 2 episodes to romance Shelley! Before the finale!

yeah he wasn't so much literally "gone" as he'd ceded overall control to the new cadre of directors and writers.

Yeah I think (apart from a brief stint abroad for an exhibition) he was around but like in his office and basically checked out

That's why it's unfair that the other writers and even the network take so much of the blame - both lynch & frost basically took their hands off the wheel, nobody forced them to

generally true, tho Frost has a co-writing credit on the fourth-to-last episode.

billy zane is outrageously ugly. just finished watching the whole orig. run so i could watch the new ones. It gets so terrible after the murder is finally solved. The last like 15 episodes are unremittingly terrible. So many bad set-pieces, pointless storylines (audrey billy zane case in point) and way too much of that annoying receptionist/dumb cop combo. felt like i was punishing myself every time I put on a new episode, and then the finale was all the pointless storylines being neatly and cursorily tied up before everybody ran around in some curtains for twenty minutes. awful.

the finale is great! and the 4-5 episodes following the reveal have plenty of good stuff

there's also a key sequence in the finale that points to the pacing and sensibility of The Return so ye been warned

tbh if you don't like the finale episode you should prob stop punishing yourself now & skip s3

its not that i'm against weirdness and i loved the dream logic of the earlier episodes, but the truncated way in which the plot was dealt with was really stretching things. Why have the Wyndham Earl plot at all, it was so half-arsed. What did it matter that Earl was looking for the lodge? What about the message to the Major? I feel like you could have just had this episode exactly one episode after the resolution of the laura palmer story and it would have been the same.

the finale was all the pointless storylines being neatly and cursorily tied up

this isn't true at all!

Lol yeah they all end in massively uncertain fates of major characters; in the soapy 90s we called these "cliffhangers"

You'll get no argument from me re windom earle tho haha

also ultimately the show seems to me to be horribly conservative. That beauty pageant episode, my god. I think the decent good small town folk bollocks is ultimately about as ironic as vice magazine racism circa '07.

The storyline about lara flynn boyle raced to its conclusion. Oh he's your dad. there wasn't even time to work up a bit of ambiguity. what was the key that eckhart sent? oh it was for a bomb! also what about the south african woman in jail. is she going to be charged? I'm pretty sure she was also in ER so I guess she got out eventually and moved to boston.

tbh if you don't like the finale episode you should prob stop punishing yourself now & skip s3

yeah, exactly. when people ask about the return i usually say that if they liked the finale and fire walk with me, they'll love the return

The storyline about lara flynn boyle raced to its conclusion. Oh he's your dad. there wasn't even time to work up a bit of ambiguity.

idk i spent a while wondering if ben horne was dead (he's not)

what else? Audrey: "I love you billy zane for some reason" conclusion, she loses her virginity to him and then gets involved in the family business and works closely with her father, seemingly disregarding the fact that he tried to have sex with her while she was wearing a mask about a month before.

never encountered someone who hates the finale this much tbh, i'm a little baffled

the only real cliffhanger I can think of is leo with a nest of tarantulas dangling from his tooth

tbh the only bit of the finale I enjoyed was when laura palmer did the backwards clicking bit

you aren't wondering if audrey is dead, huh

Why have the Wyndham Earl plot at all, it was so half-arsed.

Windom Earle sucks, but he works pretty well as a conduit for drawing Cooper to the Black Lodge, and imparting personal stakes on his journey there, so it's not just "detective goes to mysterious place seeking answers." He's worth it just for that amazing S2 finale imo, and the long return from the Lodge is narratively the best thing about S3.

plax hates a lot of stuff but, like me, he's a sweetheart

Feels like you're conflating stuff pretty much everybody hates (Audrey's plots in late s2, Donna paternity, miss twin peaks) with the finale which is rightly unconcerned with all those

also, kudos for just writing james entirely out with a postcard ("I'm in san francisco, its awesome")

Feels like you're conflating stuff pretty much everybody hates (Audrey's plots in late s2, Donna paternity, miss twin peaks) with the finale which is rightly unconcerned with all those

― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:31 AM (thirteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly

THESE ARE ALL IN THE FINALE

I literally watched it last night

Also "Bob is in Cooper now and Coop is trapped in the Black Lodge for 25 years and everything is fucked" is probably the greatest cliffhanger any series finale has ever given us

but i guess sheryl lee screaming and strobe lights aren't for everyone

Outrageous attempt at innocence by association from morbs!

Also the fucking drawing being a map. Of course its a map. IT LOOKS LIKE A MAP. My god. Ultimately why I hated what happened to this series is that the genuinely eerie atmosphere of the first series just evaporates and instead there's all this Indiana Jones crap in the woods. Remember when they went to the log lady's house for tea and the log gave them a message. That was genuinely unsettling. The last ten minutes are mostly just people going "woooooh"

THESE ARE ALL IN THE FINALE

― plax (ico), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:32 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally watched it last night

― plax (ico), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:32 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

1. ok, yeah, donna's paternity does feature in the finale, but lynch truncates it to a very intense scene between ben and the hayward family, it's one of my favorite scenes in the whole series despite the dumb ideas that engineered the whole plot. like, doc hayward screaming over ben horne's unconscious body doesn't... do anything for you?

No, because its just like "ok lets tie up these loose ends, how about a... confrontation?"

i had other points but i'm not really convinced you watched it

Yeah there is the barest continuity between the Donna/Audrey scenes in the last ep and the ones leading up to them. And the pageant is simply not in the finale.

also, kudos for just writing james entirely out with a postcard ("I'm in san francisco, its awesome")

one thing you have to understand about james, though - he's cool. he's always been cool.

james is not remotely cool are you joking? james is such a boring guy you would avoid at parties when you were a teenager. Do not let him have any of my weed. jesus

he doesn't talk much these days. but he's cool.