Coil s/d c/d etc

'dark river' from love's secret domain is my favorite coil track
― Amon (eman)

^^^ this

can we talk about our favourite coil side projects? been listening to the black light district album alot recently, as well as the time machines album and worship the glitch.

black light district is incredible. the highlight for me is the track "red skeletons", gotta be one of the creepiest pieces of electronic music ever made

Has anyone heard Sleazy's new stuff?

(non-TG that is)

yes. the album is pretty great in parts. i saw him do it live a few weeks ago. it was so so and was accompanied by some very controversial film footage.

"being articulate, self-effacing, polite and so on - with some fantastic tunes under his belt - should not mean he can foist explicit footage married to lame notions of mystical altruism upon everyone without getting a pasting. it is irrelevant whether or not he made the footage himself or obtained it. even if i believe those "men" were "over 18", the context in which something passed off as a "charitable act" was presented - ie audiovisual lounge exotica vs An Evening with Les Dawson - was enough to make my stomach churn."

"i don't want to equate him with Gary Glitter by any stretch... and i'm not making any allegations over "legality"... and i love some of his productions dearly... but the context was disturbing me, along with the "knowing" sniggers from the audience. i maintain that if these "over 18"s were female, from any country in the world, Thailand or otherwise, there could well have been a national outrage following even minor exposure from a review in a shitty local rag like the List."

the hushed reverence and complicity of the audience present was the most interesting thing about the evening. the number of people taking photos of the screen was very strange, even those with SLRs who appeared to be press.

this was all a little too "comfortable" given the nature of the content, and the context under which it was presented. such is the man's influence and musical legacy that none dare challenge him aloud over the frankly ridiculous and misguided expressions of "hope" expressed during the first video. his demeanour was equally too disarming and magnanimous for any serious attempt to challenge him.

now i like some TG and Coil tracks enormously. sicker and more objectionable people have made better music, too. Sleazy is not shy about his "interests", for which i would commend him. i am also completely confident he has the intelligence to realise what is and what isn't acceptable in terms of legality and performance, especially in this country. he is clearly a consummate professional in many fields.

the overriding feeling i was left with, as noted above, was that i cannot for the life of me believe that anyone, anywhere, in any country would have easily accepted the same footage and sentiments transposed to a situation where a man of his age - or indeed a woman - would receive such an "easy ride" screening imagery of very young members of the opposite sex in public, under the banner of "art", dressed up in a partially "charitable" terms.

this all reminds me of William Bennett's recent talk at the CCA where he seemed to take an easy option by equally praising "non-Western" notions of "not having to answer questions once they are posed", rather being interested in "standing in the space that positing the question would create".

http://www.flickr.com/photos/biotron/3263652364/

the value of being shocking for the sake of being shocking is quite tired but occasionally valid, imho. it takes on a fairly different tone when some sort of loudhailer apology is superimposed upon proceedings.

can we search late period coil? i'm thinking post Love's Secret Domain. this is their best shit imo. of what i've heard search:

Black Light District - A Thousand Lights In A Darkened Room: deep electronic music, "red skeletons" is a lurching sickly dub beast and a total career highlight; balance's voice appearing on "green water" after 40 minutes or so of weirdness is revelatory

Time Machines: completely stunning old skool analog ambience; one of the best drone albums ever made imo

...And The Ambulance Died In His Arms: a live recording from the group's final performance. this was my introduction to coil, john balance's affable inter-song banter seemed totally incongruous to the darkness of the music. love the narrative in "A Slip In The Marylebone Road"

Musick To Play In The Dark 1 & 2: some of the greatest music ever created by man, need i say more

anyway, out of a fairly dense catalogue what else should i be paying attention to?

I remember eying Time Machines for a long time but never got it. I heard that the acoustics on that one are off the wall.

this is their best shit imo.

they were incredibly prolific in their late period but i don't think they were necessarily better. 'musick to play in the dark 1' is an absolute masterpiece although i think volume 2 is quite weak. of the later recordings, apart from those you mention, the solstice singles, compiled on cd as 'moons milk in four seasons' and the 'ape of naples' and the 'new backwards' (recorded way back but only latterly made available) are highly recommended. 'going up' from the 'ape of naples' reduces me to a quivering mess every time.

the 'foxtrot' benefit comp. contains, imo, one of the finest and most prophetic coil tracks and is key and essential.

for me, 'horse rotorvator' remains their finest moment. i think 'ostia' is one of the top 5 greatest recordings of all time. i have recently spent a lot of time re-listening to 'nightmare culture', their collaboration with boyd rice and am blown away all over again by it.

on reflection, everything they ever recorded is worth at least a cursory investigation and i continue to discover new riches. for me, the greatest 'band' that ever existed. my beatles.

the above post posted in a john balance state of intoxication.

r1o you should check out Live 3 and Live 4 if you haven't yet, they have some amazing moments on them. Also search the versions of "A.Y.O.R." and "Cold Cell" that were on those Russian-only compilations, they are soooo good and not available elsewhere.

Just got my preordered http://www.thedarkageoflove.com/ CD in the mail today!

thanks for the this immortal coil heads up.

there is also an exclusive alternative version of "a cold cell" called "a cold cell in bangkok" on this -

http://www.dominorecordco.com/uk/albums/09-09-08/optimo--sleepwalk/

yeah that's a good mix. interesting that you find Musick To Play In The Dark 2 to be weak compared to the first one, as for me there's not much in it. either one could be my favourite of the two depending on which one is currently playing.

there may be a bit more filler on 2 but i figured they were from the same recording sessions which might explain a slight discrepancy in quality. but "tiny golden books" is a monster, and "batwings" is my favourite john balance performance. and "ether"! one of the best Coil songs full stop. amazing record.

i'll definitely check out those two live records, i still regularly listen to ...And The Ambulance Died In His Arms. and the live videos on youtube are stunning.

fuck i can't really think of any other bands capable of releasing two of its best albums during its twilight years. they were pretty special.

can anyone recommend the album made with thighpaulsandra's mum on vocals? sounds intrsting

interesting that you find Musick To Play In The Dark 2 to be weak compared to the first one, as for me there's not much in it.

perhaps i was a tad harsh. i was DEFINITELY a tad drunk when i posted that. musick...1 just blew me away so much that 2 couldn't really live up to it to my ears. by anyone else's standards it is a mighty fine album but i just never really bonded with it. i completely agree that "tiny golden books" and "batwings" are fabulous though.

I love the Optimo Sleepwalk album.

And Time Machines is probably my most played Coil record, works really well at a range of different volumes. I've sometimes found that if it's on quietly in the background it seems to distort my perception even more than loud or on headphones. I'd appreciate if anyone knowledgeable could point me in the direction of anything similar that they've done.

There's been talk of a 2 CD version of Time Machines forever, but nothing's been confirmed yet. Nothing comparable in their discography, though.

Unless you're happy with the also-simple-tones-but-not-similar-at-all concept stuff on ANS - http://www.brainwashed.com/common/htdocs/discog/coilans.php?site=coil08

CoilANS is nice. I also remember liking Constant Shallowness Leads To Evil, but haven't heard it in a while.
My favorite Coil works remain Musick To Play In The Dark, both volumes, followed by Ape Of Naples, esp. for the final track.

I bought ANS thinking it would be similar and although I like it, it doesn't do it for me the way Time Machines does. It's probably due a re-listen though.

Maybe this is because I'm a fan, but er...

S: Scatology, Horse Rotorvator, Gold is the Metal, Unnatural History I-II-III, Love's Secret Domain, Stolen & Contaminated Songs, The Angelic Conversation, Born Again Pagans, Worship The Glitch, A Thousand Lights in a Darkened Room, Time Machines, Moon's Milk in Four Phases (+ bonus disc), Foxtrot (compilation, various artists), Astral Disaster (vinyl & CD versions), Musick to Play in the Dark I-II, The Remote Viewer (2 disc edition), Live 1-2-3-4, Selvaggina Go Back into the Woods, ANS box set, Black Antlers (original & remastered editions), And the Ambulance Died in his Arms, The Ape of Naples, Backwards (tape version), The New Backwards, Plastic Spider Thing, Songs of the Week, various tracks & remixes (Bill Laswell (Kala), Depeche Mode - Rush (unreleased Coil remix), Nine Inch Nails remixes on the two (different) Further Down The Spiral CDs and Broken/Fixed, etc - just about anything you can find = classic)

D because I'm not into the harsher screaming & noise: Transparent, Queens of the Circulating Library, Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil

And start saving $$$ for COLOUR SOUND OBLIVION, the (10?) DVD live box set that's coming up! (any year now!)

nice list but i was hoping we could talk specifically about post LSD coil. where can i hear the depeche mode remix?

http://www.imeem.com/defector/music/W18MIxkK/depeche-mode-rush-black-sun-mix/

Is pretty much all of the coil stuff from the 90s out of print? Every time I see used CDs by them lately they're $30 and up.

Ow baby!

http://thresholdhouse.greedbag.com/release/~colour-sound-oblivion-coils-offi/

Colour Sound Oblivion will consist of at least 12 dvds of all the Incarnations of Coil Live, with simultaneous Projection channels, plus at least 2 discs of alternate versions Projections with "karaoke" backing tracks and audio loops, which you can use to remake Coil Live in your own image. A minimum of 14 dvds, possibly more - the final total depends on the last bits of compiling being done by the end of the year.

Guess who is one of the 200 crazy Coil fans who preordered this :-)

bad link maybe? getting a 404.

not that I could afford this.

Ah. The linkifier has removed the slash at the end.

Try this link.

Dear StanM.
Yr the best.
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:-)

If you ever need someone to play coil karaoke with you just send me a message.

That Karaoke thing is the only worrying part, indeed.

I'm pretty sure yr supposed to sacrifice chickens into the mic and invite a demon to possess your body before beginning your growling. That and drugs.

COLOUR SOUND OBLIVION regular preorder to be initiated any minute now (more details are there as well)

http://www.thresholdhouse.com/arrivals.html

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Holy crap.

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interested to see that new vid for ostia tho...

that's awesome and I am going to listen to those songs tomorrow evening

I think these guys know all the secrets.

the word 'shaman' isn't used lightly, when it is used for members of Coil

Jhonn's gone, Peter's gone...but Danny Hyde's still around and um. To quote a friend on FB, "Danny Hyde used to be in COIL. Now he self-releases terrible music. But there is one saving grace: the MS Paint "artwork" for his releases is so terrible that it achieves outsider art brilliance."

The first album wasn't terrible, but everything is specifically constructed for people who like Coil - except there's no spark.

If you are wondering why artists generally don't and shouldn't personally reply to critics, the criticism Ned quoted has been personally replied to by the artist on the coil mailing list. Not a good idea. Handbags at dawn @ the coil mailing list again.

Aural Rage? Yikes.

Brainwashed is running a massive Coil Love's Secret Domain retrospective this week, including interviews with the surviving members who worked on LSD and about 10 different think-pieces on the album... worth a look for any fan I'd think

http://brainwashed.com