rolling trump-russian collusion

"a win is really a loss" by BernieBros kinda how we got here

― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, January 22, 2018 4:24 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no we got here because john podesta clicked on a fishing link and anthony weiner's sex crimes gave comey an excuse to write a letter telling people not to vote for hilary like 6 days before the election

and also hilary was a bad candidate, ok logging off now bye!

I’m not sure how big that line of thinking is, my sense is the overwhelming majority of Bernie supporters would be thrilled to see the Trump admin go down. Bernie himself has always taken the investigation seriously.

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"a win is really a loss" by BernieBros kinda how we got here

I think that is all irrelevant at this point. Trump could have beat Clinton by a legit 20%, but the stuff he or his campaign is being accused of doing remains illegal.

similarly, maybe Trump did nothing wrong, but interfering in an investigation or trying to cover stuff up is still illegal.

sure is funny how men love to complain about women

the turn this thread took at least explains to me why my self-proclaimed "liberal" lyft driver last week went from complaining about clinton and maddow to referring to the russian investigation a "soft coup" to calling the jfk assassination a "soft coup" to asking me if i knew about pizzagate

slippery fuckin slopes out there, be careful everyone

i gave him two stars btw

maria butina . . . reality has become a two star thomas pynchon novel

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/campaign-finance-russia-funneling-dark-money-trump-nra

Didn't basically the same number or more of Bernie voters go for Hillary in the general than Hillary voters for Obama?

Based on this and this, the number who defected to the GOP was less: 6-12% of Sanders voters vs about 24% of Clinton voters in 2008.

Not sure how many just stayed home, though.

Can I just say again how nuts it is that really not a week, let alone a day, has gone by without a barrage of Trump/Russia investigation revelations? Not not a single closed door, just more and more open doors, more and more acts, more and more individuals. It's really crazy.

yup it is

https://newrepublic.com/article/146725/glenn-greenwalds-women

this is a good piece

Like Reed, I don’t think Greenwald is entirely wrong on the Russian story. I’m grateful he rails against the demonization of those with views outside the mainstream consensus, especially on Syria and Ukraine. Greenwald is right that the focus on Russia has led to some embarrassing false stories, not to mention an alarmist treatment of initial cyberprobes (the likes of which the United States itself does all the time) as full-blown attacks on the United States. Like Greenwald, I think MSNBC’s lefty-focused programs have become an information bubble (though it is nowhere near as bad as Fox News). Like Greenwald, I believe the focus on Russia’s nefariousness has distracted from America’s own sins, such as the centuries of racism that allowed a figure like Donald Trump to thrive and a well-funded, right-wing propaganda machine that did far more to elect Trump than a Russian troll factory in Saint Petersburg. And I worry that the focus on Russia will distract Trump’s opponents from more tangible actions to combat him.

But unlike Greenwald I have no doubt that Russia launched a successful attack on the United States in 2016. Indeed, I’m of the opinion that if special counsel Robert Mueller is permitted to pursue all angles of this operation, we’ll learn the damage was worse than most people imagine. I say that, in part, because I believe the Shadow Brokers persona was a part of the operation, working in tandem with Russian-backed hackers who stole emails from the Democratic National Committee. Shadow Brokers had previously released a slew of NSA hacking tools that were then integrated into global malware like WannaCry and NotPetya, which together did hundreds of millions of dollars of damage to Western companies and hurt the NSA’s ability to respond to the Russian operation.

"a win is really a loss" by BernieBros kinda how we got here

I think extrapolating bullshit like this is how we got here.

Voters believe crazy shit like Pizzagate? GET SMARTER VOTERS

That Wheeler piece is good.

It’s excellent, as is the Hennessey quote:

Hennessey said, “I find the stuff that’s text- and evidence-based interesting (both for and against the notion there’s something to it).” She contrasted that with what she described as “surface commentary,” which she called ”a waste of time.” She judged, “I haven’t seen Greenwald produce anything in the former category.”

It’s a jab at Greenwald but also applies to 98% of the reporting on the issue. I don’t agree with Wheeler all the time but she is putting in more good work than most other people combined.

"a win is really a loss" by BernieBros kinda how we got here

I think extrapolating bullshit like this is how we got here.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:50 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"surface commentary" is a great way of describing like 98% of the internet

(he said)

i was actually replying to the defeatism of saying the Dems taking back Congress in midterms would be a bad thing but ok guys

regardless of what one thinks of underlying substance, net effect of West's Russia scare is playing out as
- Massive military increases
- Total end to any domestic spying reforms
- Rebranding of Bush & ex-Bush officials
- Tighter control of information flows (to stop "fake news")

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 23, 2018

it's sad how russia inquiry smashed trump's plan to overturn the gop/usa governing model, cause it was gonna be a total shocka

"regardless of what one thinks of underlying substance," what a fucking weasel

Johnson regularly parrots the Greenwald take of “The President did bad things because of MSNBC hosts”

you'd think ppl like him would get whiplash the way they go back and forth between "there is no evidence show me the evidence where is the evidence" and "would it really be that bad if russia did this i mean we do it all the time"

i was thinking about this in the shower last night, that grim as it is this feels like comeuppance for a few decades worth of america's covert misadventures

we're due for the short end of the stick in the superpower order

you'd think ppl like him would get whiplash the way they go back and forth between "there is no evidence show me the evidence where is the evidence" and "would it really be that bad if russia did this i mean we do it all the time"

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, January 23, 2018 3:00 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the investigation is still ongoing and america does do this all the time tho is the thing

lol i'm watching mcmafia (it is bad not good) and the main character, alex godman, maps pretty seamlessly onto "the west" these days - rudderless, amoral, passive, prissy, paranoid, enormously self-regarding, wildly defensive, still thinks he's one of the good guys

Marcy Wheeler is always worth reading on nat'l security stuff.

J.D., plz show us your final report.

Lol Adam Johnson. So sad that it backfired for pro-transparency activists to align themself with a rapist secretly pushing leaks from Russian leaks. Who could have guessed?

OF COURSE the constant discrediting of people like Greenwald, Assange and Manning is leading to more power for the other side. That's why they're so bad for the left.

'leaks from Russian leaks' is a pun, I guess. Um...

so sad that it backfired for anti-transparency DNC to align themselves with a rapsist Harvey Weinstein. Who could have guessed?

OF COURSE the constant bickering about US politics from foreigners like Frederik B has shitted up the discourse. that's why they're so bad for the left.

Yes, clearly what the left needs is to be shittier to 'foreigners'. Great logic there, Adam.

lol i didn't say that

i do think you are probably personally responsible for a number of ILX leftists ditching out of 2016 entirely so congrats on that

Lol. You also think Chelsea Manning will get veteran support, though, so...

https://www.veteransforpeace.org/

they did direct link to her website.

i thought this whole thing was about foreigners sowing dissent in our otherwise pristine electoral process. wouldn't that put you in that group?

um, no?

just how dumb are you, lol

get a room you two

But leave the curtains open.

lol

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51mQkhtm1AL.jpg

One of the creepiest things about this whole thing is the right doing stuff like this. Also Fox News commentators demanding multiple people (including low level FBI people) be jailed every night seems bad imo.

Sen Ron Johnson claims "informant" who has news about the FBI "Secret Society" working to overthrow President Trump. pic.twitter.com/QzGhXBEUYD

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 24, 2018

secret society sounds so cool though

lol even Jonah's like, whoa now.