foles isn't bad he's just v streaky. he's still in the HOF and had an insane season in 2013. check out this if you didn't already know: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_single_season.htm
― Mordy, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:26 (two years ago) link
I'm sure having LeSean and DeSean helped a lot there. And it's only 10 games. But still....those are some all time numbers. Everyone else who's had a season like that has been a slam dunk Hall of Famer. Foles didn't even make it another year.
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:35 (two years ago) link
i'm not going to say that any qb could've had foles's 2013 season since i have seen nfl qbs miss wide open receivers enough times, but that season was 100% scheme and foles was just making uncontested throws to wide open dudes. for one year chip's offense was a legit phenomenon in pro ball, sui generis, and other teams needed all season long to figure out how to counter it. foles has been below average to bad nearly every other game he played outside the season, until last night's performance where a couple times that worked dudes wide open e.g. the jeffrey bomb, but he was just making incredible plays otherwise. that one game means more to the evaluation of foles than the whole of 2013 imo.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:11 (two years ago) link
only 2 qbs have ever completed more than 75% of their passes in two back-to-back playoff games. that's a kind of lol stat but still.
― Mordy, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:13 (two years ago) link
what a horrible sport that ends in making either Philly or New England happy
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:01 (two years ago) link
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:04 (two years ago) link
fair. you must be delighted that neither the sox or phillies have won the stickball championships recently
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:06 (two years ago) link
i did root for the phillies when they played the yankees in stickball that one time
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:09 (two years ago) link
yeah didn't make it to the end of that Series
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:22 (two years ago) link
this is tough -- the pats are pure evil, have been much too good the last 15 years and could tie the steelers with six titles
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:39 (two years ago) link
the super bowl of hate
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:47 (two years ago) link
ty for the thread title my mans
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:50 (two years ago) link
ok, in my quest to understand the nfc championship game, i have learned the following:
the ringer published a completely content- and analysis-free 'article' called Everything the Vikings Are Good at Failed Against the Eagles. however, the title was the most important part of the whole thing and succinctly nails the game. p much everything that the vikings do well they were bad at and everything that has worked for them this season stopped working.
the vikings defense is in some ways very aggressive. not that they are blitzing all the time, but they play right in your face. on pass plays the safeties hardly ever drop deep in coverage and instead they hang around the gain line and make the short/intermediate part of the field very condensed, effective against the run and effective against the pass if you don't give up big plays doing it. their dbs are all good enough that they can play close in and dare qbs to try to go over them, and the danger of passes completed in front of them breaking into big YAC plays is minimized because the whole defense is one of the best tackling units in the league.
all of that went wrong. first, they couldn't tackle for shit. multiple times the eagles completed short of the sticks on 3rd down and the vikings couldn't wrap them up. really just a bizarre drop off. second, they made the pass plays minnesota was betting they couldn't. 2 factors here. first is scheme - pederson game planned out of his mind on this one, had a player as good as harrison smith, the clear best safety in football this year, chasing his tail on plays like the jeffrey bomb. 2nd cb trae waynes - who is not xavier rhodes but who was a 1st round pick who really came on as the season progressed - was totally victimized. visibly humiliated on the flea flicker but also gave up over 100y and 2 tds total. second factor was nick foles who was apparently just as good as he looked. rated as his best ever play by play performance, better even than his 7 td game vs oakland in 2013. perfect passer rating and qbr in the second half.
on offense, the vikes acknowledged their weakness - the o-line - and devised a game plan around getting the ball out quickly. this had worked for them during the regular season and as i noted before the game, keenum was also one of the best qbs in the nfl vs pressure. however, even with 3 step drops and keenum never having the ball much longer than a couple seconds, the eagles still managed to pressure him on 50% of dropbacks which is actually terrifying. the eagles front just brutally and thoroughly mauled them. they rattled keenum and didn't even give him time to loft hopeful 50/50s to thielen or diggs downfield, the cornerstone of their offense.
there were definitely other major factors, for sure the 14 points off turnovers in the first half had a massive impact on the way the game developed, but essentially this game was about the vikings being bad at what they do well, the eagles being good at what they do well, and nick foles turning into 2010 aaron rodgers.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 01:45 (two years ago) link
these are really terrific, recaps with a bit of tactical breakdown thrown in
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 26 January 2018 00:46 (two years ago) link
foles is so normcore, love him
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 January 2018 05:11 (two years ago) link
Foals did have a great 2013 season, but it seems passer rating is losing it's significance more and more with each year. I mean, Tony Romo has essentially the same career rating as Tom Brady and I can almost guarantee you he won't be getting in the hall of fame.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, 26 January 2018 18:39 (two years ago) link
well, no one is going in the HOF based on passer rating, that is certainly true. as i was saying upthread, football stats are pretty bad all round. i like the ways folks like football outsiders and PFF are building metrics that try to do things like measure passes irrespective of catches and taking account of on-field situations, but there are infinite variables and the holy grail of a stat that tidily and definitively describes qb performance is likely a fantasy. but take a bunch of different datapoints together and hopefully you see something consistent. as phil simms famously said, "data analysis in football is like a georges seurat painting"
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:05 (two years ago) link
yeah passer ratings for the legendary QBs of the 80s like Elway and Marino were pedestrian compared to today's QBs but that's because completion percentages are higher as so many offenses use screens and dump-offs whereas Elway/Marino flung the ball downfield most of the game.
Tannehill had passer ratings that were higher than Marino posted in many seasons and was hated by a large chunk of his fanbase....cos it really doesn't mean much anymore.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:23 (two years ago) link
i vote for romo
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:26 (two years ago) link