Initial conclusions:
I like the tabloid a lot less than the Berliner. I was very fond of the Berliner and admired much of its design, each time I read the sports pages for instance. I mostly don't admire the new design. I also don't think the tabloid is easier to handle: on the contrary.
The website seems considerably worse to me, partly in how it handles but mainly how it looks.
While there were economic reasons to go tabloid, I don't think there were good aesthetic reasons to change the design. It seems an unforced error.
It all makes me think I will read the Guardian less in future, whether online or in print.
Mind you, it is now 17 years since I wondered whether the Guardian was worse than it used to be.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 18 January 2018 08:48 (six years ago) link
17!
― Madchen, Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:04 (six years ago) link
I'm finding it annoying that some text on the homepage is the same purple colour used as the internet's standard colour for hyperlinks you have already clicked on.
― Madchen, Thursday, 18 January 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
It's the colour that throws me off in general w/ the new site. It's all every unbalanced and (relatively) restless to my eyes, compared with how it was.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 18 January 2018 12:50 (six years ago) link
I hate all the lines.
I don't understand why designers don't understand that high contrasts are hard for people (especially older people) to read
Some sites (iirc the 2012 Olmypics for example) have in the past offered 'high contrast' stylesheets (white text on black or near black, very strong colours e.g. cyan for links) to actually cater more for greater readability but it's never been easy to judge what works best for who and why here.
― nashwan, Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:02 (six years ago) link
The garish star rating on images for reviewed media is bad too. Suggests the star rating isn't important enough to retain the space it had before yet more important than showing all of an image. The bigger problem remains pretty much everything getting three or four stars though so could've been a good opportunity to alter that system and save space. Should've gone with emoji imo.
― nashwan, Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:05 (six years ago) link
I also hate the lines - I've had a couple discussions at work about the redesign (part of my job is website UX) and they are all variants on "wtf were they thinking with those lines".
The paper is fine, it's just a little sad and boring, kinda easy to mistake for the Times or Evening Standard. Two quid a day seems... untenable.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/18/elena-ferrante-to-become-guardian-weekends-new-columnist
This is an excellent move, seriously.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
"Yet, when Hodgson allows himself a second to contemplate, he can acknowledge some would spy romance in last autumn’s return."
The Guardian's typical omission of the word "that" sometimes makes their sentences temporarily confusing for me.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/19/roy-hodgson-interview-crystal-palace-manager
― the pinefox, Saturday, 20 January 2018 11:21 (six years ago) link
Took me a while to find the guardian this morning - it was hiding with all the other tabloids, not on the broadsheet shelf where it normally is.
Thought the review section looked at but feeble when I picked it out but the smaller size is handy and the paper stock is better.
They've ditched the weekly film recommendations in the TV bit (I think, maybe they've just moved it). That used to be handy.
― koogs, Saturday, 20 January 2018 12:41 (six years ago) link
enjoyed Grace Dent dropping a casual Sylvie Krin-esque mention of her handbag worth the thick end of a grand into her food review today
― thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 20 January 2018 12:48 (six years ago) link
brands as shorthand or juxtaposition is kind of her thing though, innit. like mentioning Findus Crispy Pancakes at the other end of the spectrum.
― kinder, Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:38 (six years ago) link
Where's Harangue The DJ gone?
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
new review and feast magazines are nice
― ||||||||, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
fuck sake
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jan/27/stephen-bush-can-i-cook-like-andy-warhol
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Saturday, 27 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
le sigh
― hard to be a spod (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 27 January 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
I have bought it 3 times this week.
― the pinefox, Friday, 2 February 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
got a little echo of the opening of Lady Lazarus there
― slouching towards depresslehem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 February 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
just think how many 10p mixups you could have bought for the cost of those grauniads
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
the numbers they use for the clues of the everyman crossword in the observer are worse than they used to be
PDF: https://crosswords-static.guim.co.uk/obs.everyman.20180211.pdf
― koogs, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
the 4s and 7s especially
― koogs, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
Gary Younge is the only reason to read the Graun:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/02/boris-johnson-white-privilege-black-woman
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 2 March 2018 09:21 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/11/why-the-lefts-hellish-vision-is-so-ruinous
I mean
― plax (ico), Sunday, 11 March 2018 07:08 (six years ago) link
jfc
i wanted to pull a bunch of quotes and take the piss but really just fuck him and fuck the comfortable middle class bubble that formed his fucking technocrat "gradualism"
― Finnegans woke (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 11 March 2018 07:31 (six years ago) link
this mediocrity obv slept through the last the 2 UK elections, or just conveniently excised them from his memory. His students are very fucking lucky people.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 09:52 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/mar/08/how-to-retire-early-frugal-spending
the state of fucking this as well.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 09:54 (six years ago) link
xxp
I posted an FT graph onto the rolling UK politics thread t'other say, that showed how under the centrist gradualism of New Labour, regional inequality was still off the charts in comparison to other major EU economies and the US. Whatever sticking plasters they applied to the problem at the time didn't do much good.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link
the tone of this "we must protect the poor thicko electorate from themselves"
― Finnegans woke (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 11 March 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link
the YouGov says only 6% admit to being lefty so everyone's a Centrist argument is weak as piss. When people vote as a self-interest group they often unwittingly become "lefties".
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 10:39 (six years ago) link
the art of damage limitation and carrying on when the reasoning behind your latest book is completely blown away by real events.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 10:57 (six years ago) link
I'd love to see this cunt trying his patter with the postcode gangs of Sheffield, that used to rob tools out of our vans and try and sell them back to us later. Not that they were necessarily voting types of citizens.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 11:02 (six years ago) link
We have a ready made Centrist party in the UK, no need to even contemplate forming a new one. Why doesn't he go and join them?
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 March 2018 11:18 (six years ago) link
we have something like 12 by now
― mark s, Sunday, 11 March 2018 11:22 (six years ago) link
if you want your own accommodation in Manchester and you're a wheelchair user then the wait is a mere 114 years. gradualism at its best.
https://www.aspire.org.uk/blog/loneliness
― Finnegans woke (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 11 March 2018 11:25 (six years ago) link
I still think insipid soundbites are way more important than actual disability benefits for the disabled.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 11:28 (six years ago) link
Still, it's better than it was in 1872.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 March 2018 11:35 (six years ago) link
It was terrible back then, poor communities didn't even have groups like More In Common dishing out platitudes soup.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 11:41 (six years ago) link
"Neoliberalism is a long way from being the all-conquering hegemonic discourse the Corbynite left claims it to be. Indeed, neoliberalism has been pretty much disowned by the leaders of all the largest political parties."
Kindof shocked that a professor of politics in a fairly prestigious university does not have a better understanding of neoliberalism. That is, the way neoliberalims is always self-disavowing, presenting itself as a set of techniques and procedures rather than an ideological, world-making discourse. It is only the last ten years or so that the various crises set in motion by the crash have made it possible to name neoliberalism in a popular sense, prior to that discussion of neoliberalism was more limited to academic/activist/etc. kinds of discussion. Obviously the whole article is riddled with delusional hide-bound-by-class bunker thinking exacerbated by losing-my-edge anxiety but it should be pointed out that there is also a (seriously worrying for his students) cluelessness about the basic characteristics of the phenomena he is describing. This is different from his willful mischaracterisation of "corbynite" views and positions (which I would expect) and, to me, completely unforgivable from an academic point of view.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 11 March 2018 12:23 (six years ago) link
just felt that was worth noting. Also this kind of bollocks is intimately linked with REF culture and university managements increasing obsession with "impact," a disastrous vehicle for the most craven, showboating academics that rewards this kind of nonsense with professorships.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 11 March 2018 12:27 (six years ago) link
absolute peak Guardian, this: https://t.co/le13kG4FOG pic.twitter.com/9Ml4SJvks6— Marie Le Conte (@youngvulgarian) March 28, 2018
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 12:06 (six years ago) link
£2500 (plus travel) to go and gawk at a failing economy? shut up and take my money
― sir chesley bonestell, qc (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link
might get meself on one of their "Brexit and inner cities in the North" holidays
― bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 12:12 (six years ago) link
if you wanna see a dead child refugee wash up on a beach while you're there it's an extra £500
― sir chesley bonestell, qc (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link
accompanying mezze platter only £15 tho
― sir chesley bonestell, qc (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 12:16 (six years ago) link
get the feeling the marketing people are just flipping thru old "Modern Parents" stories from Viz for their ideas now
― bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 12:19 (six years ago) link
these recipes are very bad (mostly)
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/mar/28/six-of-the-best-egg-brunches
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 13:12 (six years ago) link
My favourite one is at the bottom. Put yoghurt in the microwave for a minute then add two poached eggs on top. The recipe is called "Magic Soup".
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 13:14 (six years ago) link
A full two weeks with John Harris.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 13:18 (six years ago) link
xp
the worst type of more equals less type recipes, lets just throw a bit of everything in there and not worry that it looks absolutely minging!
― ken hom ad attack (calzino), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 13:23 (six years ago) link
It seems to no longer be called "Magic Soup"? And now it's the OVEN they want you to put the yogurt into? Yes I'm going to put the oven onto 200C, wait for it to come to temperature and then put a small bowl of yogurt in there for 5 minutes. I mean fuckin what??
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link