katherine and scott otm
I think the worst aspect of this is people making music that isn't very interesting but fans will justify the music's appeal by citing what bands/albums the work is in the vein of.
I was at a show a few weeks back that felt derivative enough that I kind of wished I'd gone to see a cover band instead
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
Foxygen is a good example of a current band that does this. They sound like a different psychedelic-era artist on every song
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
good example, not a good band
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
I understand the impulse to make music like this but when you're standing there thinking "oh, this is the song that sounds like <classic krautrock song>" it gets tiring
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
i bring this up over and over but i always think back to the time that i saw The Faint and the only time people went nuts was when they did "enola gay". the only great song they played that night.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
i hardly ever go out anymore but i made a point of going to the local bar the other night to see J. Mascis's stooges tribute band because i love the stooges and just wanted to hear really loud stooges songs. and then i left. sorry, purling hiss!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
i all for cover bands now that i am old.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
*80s diy darkwave cassettes ripped off of mutant sounds 10 years ago* ALSO a genre now.
― scott seward, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:29 AM (two hours ago)
for the record, this made me laugh ... so true
― sarahell, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
this thread makes me question whether there is a need for sneery rock critics a hell of a lot more than it makes me question the need for record collector rock
― the late great, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
controversial ilx poster and maker of record collection rock goes long on TOO MUCH MUSIC. someone give me a synopsis. too long for me.
https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2018/01/16/578216674/too-much-music-a-failed-experiment-in-dedicated-listening
― scott seward, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
This isn't about the music; this is about critics pointing snarky fingers and saying "Ah, you just wrote that song so you can prove you've heard cult album X." (In the process of course proving that they've heard cult album X, too, and they heard it two years before the artist, so there.)
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, January 15, 2018 10:01 AM
qft and thread could have been locked after this post
― the late great, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, January 15, 2018 12:01 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sounds about right to me
not sure why but i seem to recall this being used about a lot of elephant 6 bands. olivia tremor control, apples in stereo
― marcos, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
I keep hearing "Record Collection Rock" as the name of one of those tv infomercial comps"Hey, is that The Creation?""No, it's Dungen!""Dungen?! aren't they some band from the *mid 2000s*""Yeah! And now the mid 2000s are back!""IT'S RECORD COLLECTION ROCK FROM TIME LIFE MUSIC! 32 TRACKS BY ARTISTS THAT WILL CORNER YOU AT A PARTY AND RANT ABOUT HOW SUICIDE IS A MORE IMPORTANT BAND THAN THE ROLLING STONES"
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
synopsis: ME ME ME ME ME ME ME PAY ATTENTION TO ME
― brimstead, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
i.e. music made by and for dudes who looked like late 90s stereotypical record collector dudes xps
― marcos, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
xxp to scott
lol man alive
what if that guy is a woman? do women make music like this ever?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
I feel like Sonic Youth are an example of this --though I'm still not entirely sure what "this" is ... but Kim Gordon is a woman and was in that band
― sarahell, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
i am not sure what "this" is either but i see a lot more men doing what i thought it was than women and it made me wonder
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
Sonic Youth were always going on about records they were into but they didn’t really sound much like those bands
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
LL, you might like that bandcamp-posted album by popologist Nicole Atkins I mentioned upthread: she's a song stylist w a good ear for drummers.
― dow, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:08 (six years ago) link
By "song stylist" I mean she's a stylized singer-songwriter, referring to her records as her friends and at one point mentions wearing out the grooves of her brain but she's into it, building a persona of sufficient realness, seemingly self-expressive and certainly appealing, what with the associations for collectors who like late night headphone music that won't put you to sleep (too quickly anyway)
― dow, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
maybe elastica but that might be an extreme case (uh if you know you know) depending on what definition of rcr we're talking about
― infinity (∞), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
you mean that song that starts with the riff from "I am the Fly" by Wire ?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:26 (six years ago) link
haha ya but wire had huge beefs with them
so that can actually fit into this discussion of subtle nuances, melodies, etc.
― infinity (∞), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
subtle melodic similarities, sound nuances, etc.*
― infinity (∞), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
joanna newsom def seemed to be harking to a certain type of forgotten 70s folk songwriter like vashti bunyan, linda perhacs, jill st. john etc
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
My gut feeling is that bands were probably always doing this and what happened in the late 90s/early 00s was that the internet suddenly made so much music available to everyone everywhere that everyone knew every *obscure* band and both the ability of bands to copy them and the ability of everyone else to *know* what they were copying multiplied.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
Sonic Youth would qualify if every album they made was a variation on the Whitey album
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
― marcos, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 1:43 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there are a few local dudes who were overly devoted fans of elephant 6 bands, and then recreated what was basically a knockoff elephant 6 band! I'd end up seeing them opening for other people and just wonder why
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
― scott seward, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 1:37 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I didn't initially recognize the name and figured there'd be a bio at the end of the piece that'd remind me of who it was, but I figured it out halfway through.
tl;dr version: Knowing everything about some music you're listening to, from who is in the band, what instrument everyone plays on every track, and the bio of every band member is somehow valuable to your experience of music. But what if there is too much music?
side theme running through the piece: Trying to listen to only one album, for one whole week.
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
the whole exercise, and the mindset as a whole, seems really joyless. confusing deep knowledge for personal connection
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link
lol remember the time a veteran ilxor started a thread where we listened to one album 20-something times, and I listened to Kanye? It was actually a good thread/good exercise.
Idk - people listen to music for different reasons, and different things, sometimes many things, bring people pleasure. I'm often really lazy and end up listening to only a few albums for an extended period of time, because they are what's in the tape deck in the car/cd changer in my room.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
i definitely developed a bond with that Kanye album -- apparently he's having a 3rd kid? ... i don't know that much about Kanye tbh
― sarahell, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
ha ha ha a friend of mine uses the pejorative "library rock" - there's a certain local band that are very good but very snobby in a really off-putting retrograde way, as if High Fidelity was something to aspire to.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
but it seems like the idea and the majority of this thread is focused on "rock" - as opposed to non-rock music that has similar attributes - which is kinda falling into "that thing white ppl do when they disparage white ppl" territory
― sarahell, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
is which referring to rock or to non rock w similar attributes
― infinity (∞), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
The Game's whole career
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
there it is
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
i played the first Phoenix album a while ago and i love stuff like that so much. totally evocative/reminiscent of lots of things but never obvious. love that album.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 00:03 (six years ago) link
These guys? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsylvania_Phoenix
(To be fair, I had no idea they were known as 'Transsylvania Phoenix' outside of Romania.)
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 00:22 (six years ago) link
Cherry pick from Phoenix and Zoot Woman's first albums, throw the zoot woman remix of "too young" on the end, that would be one fantastic split mini lp
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
I've no idea why we're talking about Phoenix and Zoot Woman in a thread about "Record Collection Rock", but praise be to them.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:12 (six years ago) link
ZW remix of Too Young is the best
Big K.R.I.T.'s, too.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link
What about manuscript collection classical
― pre millennial tension (uptown churl), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:36 (six years ago) link
why are all those songs on the burger/ink album named after roxy music songs?
― dogs, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:40 (six years ago) link
charles ives actually the king of record collection rock.
"However, this symphony is composed in the late-Romantic European tradition, and is believed to contain many paraphrases from famous European pieces such as Tchaikovsky's Pathétique and Schubert's Unfinished symphonies and especially Dvořák's New World Symphony."
― scott seward, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
busoni has been called 'the most learned composer who has ever lived'brahms too had read just about everything you could get in the late 19c including early musicyou get into postwar postmodernists and then we can really talk about manuscript collection classical
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link