frasier - c/d s/d

never really got into cheers (went on far too long too)

liked frasier better for the most part

If only Cheers had made exactly 11 fewer episodes it would have been okay

Martin is kinda the co-lead in season 1 for a while. Then Niles clearly becomes the breakout character. But to begin with, it's Frasier and Martin arguing, and then the son runs around and discusses his problems with a variety of supporting characters.

when things switch to niles and daphne everything just falls apart

and niles' acting pretty much tanked after season 7 or whatever it was

they get together at the end of 7 - which is a bad enough season on its own - the next couple of seasons are terrible.

my impression from the internet/Twitter/memes/Buzzfeed is that younger audiences are way more fired up about this show than Cheers. Which might just be an age thing (they were kids when it was on so they're nostalgic for it), but like do a search for Buzzfeed + Frasier and it's kind of astonishing how much millennial reverence there is for this show

cheers is practically prehistoric for young millennials tbh.

This is otm in my experience. Frasier one of those shows that everyone I know saw at least once in a while, like Friends or Seinfeld or Will & Grace. Cheers is like the Cosby Show or All In the Family, not something you'd see.

i mean it's subjective but cheers just feels from a completely different time to me and i'm not exactly young anymore

millennial Frasier reverence seems like a combination of semi-ironic, mofo w/some dark secrets type stuff and genuine affection for the show? Frasier Crane more relatable to a specific millennial self-image than rest of the Cheers gang - he's over-educated and self-analytical but still hapless weirdo, and his minor celebrity and obsession with how he comes across to his audience makes is like a 90s version of mid-level social media fame

that's brilliant and probably spot on soref

he's also always horny and lonely which i think people online can relate with

that's a good explanation of it soref

he and Niles are both kind of stuck in a permanent adolescence, have never really become 'proper' adults like Martin, which feels like another bit of millennial angst (and adults tend revert back to their childhood self in some ways when around parents and siblings, so the fact he's always with Martin and Niles accentuates this?)

not sure i agree with that completely

iirc they blame martin for almost all their shortcomings in the first 2/3 of the entire show?

martin comments on their being momma's boys so that seems pretty evident

the twist is that martin took some of the blame to cover up their mom's i guess let's call it failures

and the brothers see their father as a better parent and themselves as bad sons later on in the show

the comedic side to it is that they can't help from being a bunch of babies and seek complex explanations to problems martin ends up explaining simply but almost brutishly

millennial Frasier reverence seems like a combination of semi-ironic, mofo w/some dark secrets type stuff and genuine affection for the show? Frasier Crane more relatable to a specific millennial self-image than rest of the Cheers gang - he's over-educated and self-analytical but still hapless weirdo, and his minor celebrity and obsession with how he comes across to his audience makes is like a 90s version of mid-level social media fame

this is 10/10

def understand why Cheers might seem prehistoric to youngsters, am 42 and the show was just ending when I hit 17 or so. Thank god for Channel 4 reruns.

Frasier is a boomer sort, so are we saying it scans for milennials bcz this is what their dreams might be? Steady well paid job, gorgeous flat, maid taking good care of parent, etc. I wouldn't say relatable.

Mainly due to this article which named it the best xmas special of all time, i watched the Miracle On 3rd Or 4th Street episode from Season 1 again a few weeks back; still one of the very best sitcom things i've ever seen, not a syllable out of place.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/christmas/38292/top-100-christmas-tv-episodes-of-all-time-20-1

please to have a top ten sitcoms that never featured an xmas episode but should have. My number one would be Young Ones.

Fawlty Towers

Thread inspired I've been going through some of the higher rated ones (seen the complete show quite some time ago). They really hold up great. When they were good, they were really, really good.

I toyed with the idea of rating every single episode but that’s just a whole other level of commitment i wasn’t willing to take on

I usually don’t like (TV) shows anyway so

I recently rewatched the Patrick Stewart episode - it's another variation on the "everyone thinks Frasier is gay" gag - it's a really funny episode, about gay panic without succumbing to it.

Also watched the Michael Keaton story (conman in a wheelchair) which was a little lame.

Seasons 1 to 3 are mostly classic. Tailed off badly after that and a lot of it is unwatchable (given what came before).

xp yeah that's a fantastic ep with Stewart

I watched all of them a couple of years ago and can't remember the Patrick Stewart one or the Christmas one!

there's a christmas episode in most seasons of frasier.

there is also a millennium episode (where martin keeps quoting austin powers)

Also watched the Michael Keaton story (conman in a wheelchair) which was a little lame.

ISWYDT

thinking of big name guest stars, I love the one with Derek Jacobi as the hammy Shakespearean actor (that from pretty late in the shows run as well iirc?)

yeah, season 8 iirc.

(conman in a wheelchair)

"Her lips said No, but her eyes said read my lips"

Just started rewatching this from episode one after finishing Cheers, and it’s such a jarring, unwelcome transition. It’s impressive how quickly the show distanced itself from its predecessor, but the changes to Frasier’s character and temperament are so harsh. Weird to imagine what viewers must have thought at the time

― Evan R, Monday, January 8, 2018 8:06 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is pretty much OTM. I watched Cheers while it was airing (old) and tried Frasier for a while but it just felt like a wan and overly-manic AfterCheers to me.

Also the cultural products of one's childhood and adolescence will always be the best and most important so there's really nothing to be gained from arguing these things with someone from a different generation, I find.

Which is to say it's only right and natural that millennials prefer Frasier to Cheers.

(Millennials, let me know if you need me to explain what AfterCheers is in reference to.)

did anybody ever actually watch this? i only heard of it recently via AV Club.

https://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/TV-Guide-Advert-8.jpg

Afterglow?

picesx got it. And given that it lasted two seasons and there were only three things to watch on TV at the time, I guess people must have watched it.

The decision has been made to cancel AfterM*A*S*H after the most recent episode was viewed by a paltry 63 million people.

Was the Radar pilot ever screened? I feel like I watched it on a dodgy realplayer stream from a MASH fan-site one time in the 90s, but perhaps I am imagining things.

Wow, I had no idea that was a thing. And it's apparently not even called Radar but rather W*A*L*T*E*R. It's a shame that the non-Trapper John spin-offs tanked and we never got to see H*A*W*K*E*Y*E*P*I*E*R*C*E.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/JoshGoldberg/2011-08-10_111850_aftermashresized.png

I pity the fool...

why am I legally allowed near photoshop pic.twitter.com/9L3WZvy0pU

— Goth Ms. Frizzle (@spookperson) June 16, 2018

also here’s a frasier script I wrote where he and niles are inspired by hannibal lecter to try cannibalismhttps://t.co/PMWDPgPiyF

— Ben Rosen (@ben_rosen) June 17, 2020

Lol Bishop Brennan out of Father Ted just popped up in a one line role as a waiter in some Gentleman's Club

My bad, he got a second line

yeah I know the scene, was a bit shocked myself.

Frasier's nightmare pic.twitter.com/5ScqBpdGJG

— Baal Til You Fall (@coffinzone) September 15, 2021

My favorite Frasier bit is where he unwittingly recites the bracha in Klingon at his kid's bar mitzvah.