TS: Prince or Bowie?

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shakey mo,

i like 'em both, bowie more, but prince is plenty creepy.

prince has released albums as bad as tin machine.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Can't Read" and "Amazing" were good

dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

sign o the times vs. young americans

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

prince has released albums as bad as tin machine.

This is objectively impossible.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

M@tt what you say is true (some of Prince's mid-90s stuff is really REALLY painful. Hell, even the recent N.E.W.S. is really painful). I was just kinda shocked by the level of anti-Prince vitriol at the start of this thread so I was trying to balance things out...

for what it's worth of course I love them both. but at the moment I do find Prince more endearing and capable of surprises than Bowie.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay... I thought about it a lot and I finally have to say PRINCE (just baaarely). I realized I like Prince's array of classic albums more than Bowie's. And Prince has the added favor of my seeing him live (and DAMN is he amazing live.) I fear my opinion may be skewed by my listening to Lovesexy at the moment though...

Laszlo Kovacs (Laszlo Kovacs), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

For what it's worth...

* There's a huge chunk of Bowie after, being as fair as possible, Tonight that I really could care less hearing ever again. I don't mind some of the more recent stuff, but there's a deep dark pit of blandness in the middle that I want to avoid. THAT SAID, there's nothing as classic as the period of Bowie between Man Of Music, Man Of Words/Space Oddity and Scary Monsters inclusive.. almost all of it is pure solid gold.. the only possible exception being the David Live album.

* There's a huge chunk of Prince after, being as fair as possible, Lovesexy that I haven't heard, didn't hit me the first time, but am willing to listen to again and be pleasantly surprised, and would bet that I would rediscover and like. There is no horrible pit of blandness that stains Prince's career (to date) as much as it does Bowie. However, to be perfectly honest, even between For You and Sign 'O' The Times, I don't think every album in between is dead-on perfect as I think the Bowie albums are.

Now the similarities: both INCREDIBLY influential in their own unique ways. Both started off sounding a bit shaky and of the times but quickly became very unique and praiseworthy. Both reinvented themselves musically (and sometimes personally) album after album. Both have an incredible amount of timeless songs in their peak periods.

Who would i rather have a beer with? Bowie.

Who did I actually shell out a good chunk of cash to see live most recently of the two, and felt I got my money's worth? Prince.

It's really a tie for me. Can't say.

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Prince. Absolutely no contest. (This is not to minimize Bowie, it's just that Prince is better than he is.)

DB, did you forget that I am a black man from Minnesota earlier upthread???

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(I am not going to comment on some of the comments made about Prince on this thread because I'm trying to be polite but I really, really, really, really disagree with them to an irrationally violent degree.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

make the rational argument in bold caps then.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

anytime you want to move into invective, just add an extra exclamation point.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Because your blood is boiling.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes but keep the florid, valueless adjectives and bile to a minimum.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Express the rage purely through typography.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

They are really both very great though....this thread is tearing us apart!!! : (

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

DB, did you forget that I am a black man from Minnesota earlier upthread???

Of course not! Then again, I don't assume every black person from Minnesota is automatically a Prince fan. I know you're a Prince fan, Dan, but I had no idea if you were a Bowie lover as well but just never expressed it as much.

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Prince IS Bowie, in many respects.
You never have seen the both in the same room at the same time, now have you?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i watched the controversy video on vh1 classic last night and realized that even way back then Prince's ass was hanging out. I don't think he was even wearing pants, just long shirttails and thigh-highs.

this is apropos of nothing, really, just though I'd mention in.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i like bowie and all but prince is one of the 5 greatest pop artists of the last 25 years. prince vs. bolan would probably be harder.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course not! Then again, I don't assume every black person from Minnesota is automatically a Prince fan.

Stereotypes and assumptions are bad but some may contain a kernel of truth in them. Also, any black person from Minnesota who gets offended because you assume they they like Prince is by (my) definition a dick.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Whenever I list my favorite groups I always say "Prince and The Cure". I actually like and admire Prince MORE than I like The Cure (indeed, this summer I had to choose between Curiosa and the Musicology tour and I chose Musicology).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Although both of them were stylistic chameleons, with Bowie you get the feeling that he's just trying on different masks, whereas with Prince it feels more like a metamorphosis that goes beyond surface depth. Bowie never did anything as emotionally resonant as "When Doves Cry", for instance. Bowie is all icy detachment. That said, I'd still take Bowie's music over Prince's.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't grow up in Minnesota, so I was going to hand that perspective to you or Matos or anybody else here originally from Minnesota for the obvious reasons. I just didn't want to make that assumption before you did. :)

As for Prince vs. Bolan...
Actually, I would easily take Prince over Bolan.. not to dismiss Bolan by any means..(ask Ned, who's a witness to my mass collection of T. Rex material the past year or so) but Bolan has the slight disadvantage of, how to put it gently, being dead?... also dying right before a spark that could have possible re-propelled his career, too. Prince vs. Bolan is a rather unfair taking sides really.

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

For the record, Prince is NOT a better vocalist than Bowie. Listen to fuckin' "Wild is the Wind" and tell me again Bowie can't sing. The man can croon like a goddamn demigod.

Oh, and Bowie wins this sheerly on the strength of a fleeting moment in "It's No Game (Part 1)" where he sings..."Put a bullet in my brain...AND IT MAKES ALL THE PAPERS! (followed by indecipherable Japanese exhorting). That little moment right there is cooler than EVERYTHING little Mr. Nelson has ever done and verily will ever do.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

For the record, Prince is NOT a better vocalist than Bowie. Listen to fuckin' "Wild is the Wind" and tell me again Bowie can't sing. The man can croon like a goddamn demigod.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex don't you see,
all the boldface in the world
doesn't make it TRUE

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen to fuckin' "Wild is the Wind" and tell me again Bowie can't sing. The man can croon like a goddamn demigod.

I'll admit he's doing something on that track, though I'm not sure "sing" is the right word for it. "Croon" is a bit closer. In any case, whatever he's doing, it makes me wince.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

David Bowie is much more Morrissey than he is Brian Ferry, Alex.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm waiting for Alex to realize we're not talking about Prince Charles.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

You mean this isn't TS: Prince Far I vs. Ash Bowie of Polvo?

Hmmmmph.

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

ask Ned, who's a witness to my mass collection of T. Rex material the past year or so

And a good man you are to be doing that. I now have all the new remasters and really am just waiting on the final piece of the puzzle, the upcoming Born to Boogie DVD.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm kinda amused at how "how well he sings!" has become the most contentious point on this thread! They both have great voices for what they do... the fuck?

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't like his cover of "Kingdom Come" so much if Bowie could actually sing.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus Christ, for a horrible second I thought you were referring to Bowie covering the Mission UK.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

oh like he's above that

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Thing is.. i could easily see Prince do a kickass cover of "Fame"
..and I could see Bowie doing a kickass cover of "Girls and Boys"

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd rather see Bowie cover "Adore" (see my take on "Kingdom Come")

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

oh like he's above that

In 1988 I wouldn't have entirely put it past him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Taking sides: French girl rants on "It's No Game" vs. French girl rants on "Girls and Boys"?

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Tin Machine covering the Mission UK makes a whole lot more sense than the opposite.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Ur, change "French" on the left side of my last taking sides.. duh.

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Tin Machine covering the Mission UK makes a whole lot more sense than the opposite.

"UNDER...THE GOD...WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

if Bowie is a demigod on "Wild Is the Wind" then Prince on "Adore" is Zeus

haha xpost

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

The "icy detachment" dis on Bowie has always baffled me. If anything, he tends towards overwrought. "Wild is the Wind", "Absolute Beginners," "Rock n Roll Suicide," "Heroes" (esp. the German version), "Slip Away"--this is detachment?

iang, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

>>if Bowie is a demigod on "Wild Is the Wind" then Prince on "Adore" is Zeus
Then who is Wotan?

iang, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Bowie is a goofball. Prince is a freak.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Freance is a prick.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

http://ca.geocities.com/bluntedchambers/images/wu-logo-5.gif
wotan

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, Matt C just won the universe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not a fanatic for either but I'm voting Prince all the way, no contest. He plays some awesome guitar solos.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link


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