The New Allmusic: D/D?

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So you guys are using a three-year-old licensing agreement as evidence of a grand conspiracy against your choice of browser?! Whatever. You've been sucking from the same teat that's been nutritified by Microsoft since November 2001. Does the milk taste that different now?

According to Alliance Entertainment's press kit:

AMG customers include Barnes &
Noble, Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Real Networks,
BlueLight.com (Kmart), CDNOW, Best Buy,
Circuit City, Blockbuster, Ticketmaster,
Yahoo!, AOL’s Spinner and MovieFone,
ARTISTdirect/UBL.com, and MTV
Networks Europe.

Are they gonna offend AOL (owner of Netscape) and Yahoo! to get in a monogomous fuck fest Microsoft?

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 18 July 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i used to work at the AMG offices. the "we're just a small company" line is bullshit. while they might not have 500 employees(yet), using that line as some sort of justification for shit coding is even more pathetic.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Sunday, 18 July 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad i'm not the only one who hates it.

Rock Bastard, Sunday, 18 July 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Not that I'm complaining, but it's weird that Allmovie is still exactly the same as it used to be.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 18 July 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

All the comments I'd like to have made have already been made. I can't believe they've just ruined what used to be a perfectly functional interface. Dicktrousers.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 19 July 2004 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad to see the similar artist section still as tight as ever. Current 93 and Leather Nun and that camp blend so harmoniously with David Chastain that it's uncanny.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I just saw the new design tonight and my god, it's awful! In my confusion about why a site with a decent design would change to this I found this thread. I used to like this site and it was a convenient way to find basic info on bands, but the way it is now I don't know that I even want to bother. I'm glad to see that I'm not in the minority here.

All the extra clicks, the unnecessary flash, the lack of flow to the pages, the extra scrolling, ugly design (the old one looked so much better!), it doesn't display right in opera, and I could go on and on but much of it's already been mentioned. I liked the compact design of the old site. It was so easy to get information at a glance. I hope they realize how much this sucks and change it soon.

Amy M., Monday, 19 July 2004 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Is anyone else using a Mac (iMac) and IE unable to use the Search function on AMG? I mean, enter a band or a song, etc in the Search field, hit either Return on your keyboard or click Search on the page, then... nothing. No search, not even an attempt, just an idling browser. If this persists, I will have to completely abandon the site, since its searchability is what brings me back there, almost daily.

So (you might say), use Safari or something else. And yet, with Safari, my log-in is erratic. Sometimes it "remembers" me, most often it doesn't, so I have to constantly enter my e-mail addy and my password.

David A. (Davant), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i've already abandoned the site.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

If i was someone like Ned (ie hyperthetical AMG contributor cf: client)i'd be feeling ripped off. I presume AMG owns his and others 'content' (does it ?), content that would have been amically profferred by many music enthusiasts in a post-hippy idealistic pipe-dream about all the new wonderful uses of the web, happy to just accept name-in-print and forwarding of the understanding of music as their pay-off.

The AMG site has always behaved differently in my browser from most sites, even jealously commercial sites like Amazon. I've always just asumed it's an information gatherer. How else could it be so so slow (as it always has been)? If it's gone upmarket (blah blah about increasing servers etc.) i see no reason at all for it to still be that slow.

That is unless there's still multiple server and client stuff going on during the loads, and since i've crashed the site in a number of ways, i have no reason to assume the site isn't accessing a variety of databases depending on the data. Whose databases ? Clients databases ? Is that an exhaustive list of clients above ?

I can think of a few other organisations who'd be oh so keen to access AMG user data, outfits who could only be either a friend or a foe to AMG.

RIAA Man (izan), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:47 (nineteen years ago) link

My pet hate is the tabulated structure. I'll accept grudgingly that they use tabs due to the volume of information. But then once you click to the discography, you have more tabs should you decide to view Singles or compilations. So there's tabs within tabs!! Smart GUI design folks. And then of course, should you choose to read a jounros piece on the album, you have to click again to read more. In the old site they had read more but it was all client side so you didn't have to wait for another page to load.

And the speed here is orders of magnitude slower than the previous site, doubtless due to all the extra clicking being undertaken.

It should be used in university courses on how not to design an information based interface.

mentalist (mentalist), Monday, 19 July 2004 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I presume AMG owns his and others 'content' (does it ?)

It does, yes. At present, I have no other thoughts to offer on any of this as I had nothing to do with the redesign beyond beta testing briefly -- it worked fine with Safari on my Mac, and I was one of many testers.

I am, in fact, on a Caribbean island and I intend to spend tomorrow afternoon doing nothing but sitting on a beach for seven hours, relaxing in the sun and/or shade and reading a book. Yay me. Seeya all soon!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I have sadly abandoned AMG now, out of protest and out of the fact that my computer at home will not load it without freezing up.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I use safari on a mac and it doesn't work quite right. Things bleed into each other a bit.

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I put my two cents here, for whatever it's worth (er, two cents I guess):

So, now that AMG has made itself COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS, what is the best web alternative??

chuck, Monday, 19 July 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

the advanced search doesn't work for me either it is continually loading search criteria.

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

One thing AMG can do is add a country name for artists in the US. Not everyone knows what 'Providence, RI' means.

That's the Way (uh huh uh huh) I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's what happened, the way I figure it. I have dropped all my initial conspiracy theories, as they do seem to be trying to make it usable, piece by piece, in spite of themselves.

See, they knew what was wrong with the site -- terrible colors, cheezy unnecessary graphics, 1997 image maps, a generally dated look, etc. But they didn't know what was *right* with it -- very decent information architecture, clear tables of data in readable font sizes, excellent at-a-glance scanability, etc. And in fixing what they thought was wrong, they broke what they didn't know was right. It's a classic novice mistake, really, and from where I sit completely understandable (I'm not much more than a novice myself, though I have purchased a lot of books about this). I was at first incensed that they would slap an "IE optimized" warning on the page, and rightfully so, but they took that down within a day or two, fixed the Mozilla CSS bug, and really seem to be making an effort to make it work the way everyone wants it to. They have, sadly, already married themselves to a design with inherent usability problems -- kind of stumbled backwards into it, really -- but that does not make them bad. It just makes them kind of clueless.

They may have to leave this design up for a year or so, just for consistensy's sake, but it won't last much longer than that, and they will have learned from their mistakes.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 05:12 (nineteen years ago) link

BTW -- I'm willing to lay money on the fact that they didn't do even the most rudimentary usability test. "Small company" or no, you can always set up at least a network connect and watch what people are doing on the screen for ten minutes. "Hmmm... they seem very confused as to how to use the tabs. We've never utilized tham before... maybe we should lose them."

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

>what was wrong with the site -- terrible colors, cheezy unnecessary graphics, 1997 image maps, a generally dated look<

Who gives a shit how "cheezy", "1997", or "dated" it supposedly was anyway, though? How do any of those things have to do AT ALL with how GOOD the site is? And in what kind of numbskull's imagination do those adjectives even MEAN anything? And how is that washed-out new lavender color less "terrible" than what was there before? I will never, ever understand those who fall for the scam of "updating" technology for the mere sake of updating it, as long as I live.

chuck, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

(i.e. 60% of our users are male)

We're trusting these people with our music facts but don't even know the difference between between i.e. and e.g.!!!

mei (mei), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

If you haven't switched to Firefox yet, then the Fix AMG extension should be all the reason you need.

I've written an extension for Mozilla Firefox that, when installed, alters the display and functionality of allmusic.com. Specifically, it does the following:

It cleans up the horrible JavaScript-only links sitewide, thus enabling 21st-century browsing techniques such as tabbed browsing and opening links in new windows.

It hides the annoying Flash spinner thing atop each page.

It changes the functionality of the "Read more..." links on band and album detail pages. On the old AMG, band and album pages contained full reviews. Now, they feature only the first few sentences, with a link to "Read more..." on a separate page. The extension changes the functionality of that "Read more..." link so that, instead of taking you to a new page, clicking the link will dynamically load the full band/album review and insert it inline.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

But hey Elvis, somebody on the other thread offered an even MORE user friendly solution, for those of us who speak English and stuff!!!!

>Yeah, get the ten CD install of Free Bltfzpk 5.4x. Don't forget the Excrement 01.1 action web accelerator add-ons, people. And you'll need the CrummyFree compiler, although that usually comes with Bltfzpk. Support is excellent.<

chuck, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

someone _will_ write a work-around or maybe the old guide will come out on bootleg CDs -- an client emulating program is needed -- you could run your AMG clicks one by one, wait ten minutes which will give you your buffer/ time lag, and they'll have all been collected for you -- just find something else to do for ten minutes while the computer filters

as for AMG, a conserted effort by all the PCs in China to simultaneously hit on Britney Spears might Mariah-Carey-ify her (eg schoolgirl with mouse ears fried in electrically-lit Xmas-holly romp), duet with Lemmy in an electric chair,.. and maybe creat a ripple in AMG central, whomever that is.

george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

How do any of those things have to do AT ALL with how GOOD the site is? And in what kind of numbskull's imagination do those adjectives even MEAN anything?

Well color me a numbskull. It's marketing, is all. Colors. Shades. The emotional appeal of design. Trends and fashions. Frivolous? Yeah, certainly in this case, as it the redesign interferes with the usability of the site. But trendy colors and updated-looking graphics sell adspace. It's not a stupid idea, not if you want to make some scratch off your work.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Kinda hard to believe AMG would scrap a simple design that worked for something straight out of the 1999 IPO salad days fuck-up handbook.

Chris O., Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

How do any of those things have to do AT ALL with how GOOD the site is? And in what kind of numbskull's imagination do those adjectives even MEAN anything?

i hadn't read the previous few posts, but it didn't take me a second to guess who this came from.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, having missed most of the 'excitement' and all that -- I just was looking up the Stina Nordenstam entry right now and the speed was the best I'd seen yet with the new site, got to the entry and album reviews with no trouble. Haven't had any real problems with it over the last couple of days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I got as far as YOU MUST REGISTER and lost interest.

Ooooh Heaven is a Place on Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i still have some problems with it. sometimes i click on a link and...nothing happens.

the "read more" thing is a big annoyance that, i imagine, could be easily fixed. perhaps his nedness can convey these constructive criticisms to those in power?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

it's definitely heaps quicker now than it was when they first changed it. you do still have to go through more menus than before to find some stuff that was all on the one page.

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Look I don't know about anyone else but my computer here at home is incapable of getting past the first page. I type in a name and hit "search" and an IE error pops up and won't let me go beyond that point. I get as far as the homepage on my computer and that's it.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i don't use it at home either, i only have dial up and it won't even load the first page never mind anything else. god bless work and its lovely broadband access

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, seems like my modem times-out on this site. This is beyond ridiculous. I can't remember many sites timing out on me even here in NZ. This is the slowest site in years.
I guess all that extra content overloads their servers, so maybe i was just excluded automatically for having the wrong bandwidth or for having the wrong stuff in my cookie.

george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:17 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps his nedness can convey these constructive criticisms to those in power?

They could be conveyed, but I have no guarantee they'll be acted upon.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Did you see my ILM post about the new Stina Nordenstam album in October, Ned? It is going to be excellent from the songs I've heard....


Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I can live with that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

The album cover is her most "goth" one yet

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus H. the only way that could be is if she's swathed in a black shroud in the middle of a cemetery.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

You aren't far off. Just don't forget the long black boots and clenched fists.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm getting used to it in the sense of finding specific info I need, but I've lost all urge to idly peruse the site anymore.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Just checked out the "Writers' Bloc" setion on AMG - good to know Stephen Thomas Erlewine still defending the mighty "Nuisance" by Menswe@r

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

He's not alone, dammit!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks to Chris for the "fix AMG extension" for Firefox...I can now access the site again. Beforehand, any of the dynamic content-type links were just plain busted in ANY of the browsers I was trying to use...IE, Netscape, Firefox, all a no-go. Now I can click em. Yay!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooops, wait, the search function still doesn't do anything. Oh well. Bah to this.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

You aren't far off.

JESUS H! And I was just randomly guessing!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh well. Bah to this.

You have the special 'anti-Canadian' AMG virus.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

jeez, anti-Canadian ? very nice that they have an NZ rock category (wow, like krautrock !), but i just wish i could view it !!

I still can't get the links to respond -- i click and, nothing (x10).. grr..

i changed my setting as per the instructions -- AMG is now my very first "trusted site" even , which seems like a somewhat mighty concession in itself, but still no "search" or "go" buttons seem to do anything -- my firewall blocks pop-ups, so is that the problem ? i hit a button and no bytes even get sent. It just really doesn't like me.

is there something really simple i should know ? is this in permanent revolution mode still ?
it feels like i have to do something like put in "a quarter" or some such thing to get the ball rolling .. am i just not on their demograph radar ? have my callous comments regarding the new site up-thread resulted in designers setting me up my very own "front door" ? essentially, wtf ??

george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 31 July 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I love how they have entries for allmusic writers now, complete w/'similar artists' and 'influences/followers'

artdamages (artdamages), Saturday, 31 July 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm just going to have to do some reviews for AMG -- y'know, records no-one has heard of or know exist deserving of 3-5 stars -- typically cut-outs of no commercial value to any "partners" involved with the AMG site that have been dumped in new zealand -- and then i could have a "3rd party content" link to subsequent ebay auctions

feasible ?
they'll have me if you put in a good word won't they Ned ?

george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 31 July 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link


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