Fabric 17 - Akufen

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I vote for 'Prima Edizione', then 'Full On', then 'Full On 2'.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

don't know Prima Edizione--Spencer, we've gotta talk.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd vote for 'Zoolook' then 'Dong Il Jang' then 'Devil's Music' and throw in 'Plexure (96 revision)' but I wouldn't insist that we're talking about the same thing

ok, just ordered 'Full On'. thanks for the leads. just read your edwards v. akufen article in the voice -- although I agree that 'happy accident' plays a large part in akufen's method, I think he goes a long ways beyond purely random structuring. what I like about 'deck the house' is that the synth pads that would hold down the chord changes aren't there, but you can still reconstruct them in your head from the samples, they've all been precisely tuned & chosen. & I have a high tolerance for ADD sample onslaught.

recent akufen comp tracks seem to show him reintroducing the synth pad chords, and my attention falls right off when things go overt

(Jon L), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"My Way" might not sound like Herbert, but "Whore House" and "Hawaiian Vodka Party" sure as shit do.

IMHO.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

well now you have to say which herbert songs you think they sound like!

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks for the tips.

How annoying/intrusive are his religious lyrics? I have low tolerance for such things.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, well I think "Hawaiian Vodka Party" has a lot in common with "Theaudience" and "Bonnie and Clyde" and "Whore House" owes a massive debt to about half of "Around the house" specifically "So... now" and "Never give up".

And that's not to mention all the MacDonalds stuff which is very Akufen-y...

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post to dave:

it's very intrusive on "prima edizione". well at least very front and center anyway, some people would probably argue it's central enough to his music that the concept of "intruding" on the music is sort of odd. annoying? your mileage will vary. i will admit i get annoyed. spencer apparently doesn't.

the other stuff - the nervous comp, the locked on comps - is also spiritual but in a much more generic ny gospel garage house sense. i'm assuming you've already listened to enough garage and house that the odd gospel influence / vocal doesn't bug you too much.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Vahid.

Yeah, I guess gospel influences come with the territory, but if they're vague enough (and the music's exceptional), I can let 'em slide. Ironically, Pharoah Sanders' "The Creator Has a Master Plan" is one of my favorite songs ever.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Re reconciling low religious-sentiment threshold with Todd Edwards: you're pretty much fucked, I'm afraid. It's hard to imagine tracks more overt about what/Who they're about. Solider on, though!

Re Nervous Tracks: it's good, but not very Edwardsian in the way that would come to mean soon thereafter. The two 'Full On' comps are better starters. And the mix he did (of pretty much all his own stuff, as per policy) for the recent Pure Garage 'Four To The Floor' comp is ace.

Re Akufen: I have lots of the same reservations as above, but seeing him play once sort of rewrote the book on him for me. He started off kinda boring, but worked the clicky-bumpy underbelly into an outrageously dark and acid-y mess before long. Itchiing to hear this new mix to see if it's as itchy as it could be.

Andy, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 05:38 (nineteen years ago) link

there are some good comments at amazon UK about the "4 to the floor" compilation...

cd 1 has some really rubbish tracks that more like noise then music
tracks are bleek and nothing stands out ... like listening to the same song 21 times over

these are good too

Don't let the name "garage" put you off, this is a far cry from the grimey beats that have put so many people off the genre
do yourself a favour, kick rubbish 'grimey beats' to the curb and GET THIS NOW!

i guess even on the other side of the atlantic the more things change the more they stay the same.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave, I got over Todd Edwards religious inclinations roughly the moment I realised avoiding his music because of the overt christianity, but not avoiding mysoginistic/homophobic/anti-semetic music was unfair and childish.

And don't worry Matos, I know Akufen deserves all the comparisons to Edwards that he can read - it's just that you brought it up, and I refuse to do the international sign of the knowing wink.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the big Akufen/Edwards similarity on My Way at least is not the sampling per se (I *wish* the sampling was more like Edwards on My Way - Edwards = Hegelian because Edwards = Christian and Hegelian = Christian) so much as the sampling as combined with those straight down the line 4/4 drums (although Edwards adds some token - and i mean token - garage swing). Herbert by contrast is all about skippy shivery rhythms.

I like Akufen's shuffly tracks for the way they avoid that straightness in the groove.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 07:02 (nineteen years ago) link

edwards makes garage - the hi hats on the second beat of the bar....akufen makes house and has minmal hi hat impact.
this is also why i think akufen (and herbert) always lean dangerously towards making extremely borign music, because they dont seem to want to make 'dance music'. they dont spend enough time on the (non sampled) bits of their drum programming, and it sounds limp as a resul;t. 'deck the house' is ok, but it could be way way better, for example. in terms of its funkiness at any rate...

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 10:18 (nineteen years ago) link

to complete the glitch/minimal/drumz masterclass that have been the Mayer/Akufen/Bugz CDs i keep asking Fabric for a Hatcha mix. they're having none of it though.

martin (martin), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 10:43 (nineteen years ago) link

why not a mack 10 mix
or carnage

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

mac or mack

anyone goign to eskimo dance in notts then?
nuff akufen

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

A Target, Carnage, Wonder or Terror mix would be heavy still.

martin (martin), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Ambrose I think that's fair for Akufen but not for Herbert - stuff like his remix of Motorbass's "Ezio" (from '96!) is voluptuously programmed, not garage true but not metronomic house like Akufen either.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah thats true, generally his remixes are more banging. that motorbass one is rude. but that maybe more down to the bassline. a shit hot bassline can often obscure weak ass beats.
in both cases though i think (ok to qualify my statements im talking about around the house/bodily functions herbert) its mainly the Kicks that just arent tuff enough.
If you try mixing them in with somemore straight up house or techno you find that akufen (ok my way)often gets obliterated.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

tuff beatz, you simply can't, erm, beat 'em.

martin (martin), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't even really see albums like bodily functions and around the house as club records made for mixing, tho, so the "weakness" wouldn't bother me if, indeed, i believed it existed.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Herberts first EPs, vols 1-4 are way more dancefloor. tougher beats but less interesting musically.

martin (martin), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmmm house music to me is primarily dance music.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

no way, man!! herbert's "100 lbs" album is great. though the remixes comp is better than everything.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

x-posto

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

but it doesn't have to be, ambrose, and bodily functions really isn't. it's just a good album, made to be listened to as an album. herbert's remixes are a lot tougher, because they are made for clubs. his albums are made for the home or the headphones, same to a certain extent w/ akufen.
btw, re akufen, can i just say that i'm really really bored hearing akufen continually compared (mainly unflatteringly) to todd edwards, yes, parts of his programming are quite similar (pat yourselves on the back, you are all very clever, but he does admit this debt and always has done so he kinda stole that thunder) and there is easily as much difference as similarity between the two.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the main difference is Akufen has more than one idea. unlike todd "self parody" edwardzzzzzzzzzz...

martin (martin), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i love todd edwards, btw, but don't see him as being someone who continually, and rather lazily, *has* to be dredged up as soon as akufen is mentioned.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

And the mix he did (of pretty much all his own stuff, as per policy) for the recent Pure Garage 'Four To The Floor' comp is ace

glad to hear this as i've been meaning to pick it up. the last time i went to tower i had it in my hands, but i bought something else instead (they had those depeche mode singles boxsets on sale).

the edwards christian thing is completely overt, but i can't think of music that is more flat-out euphoric.

tricky disco, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

also, not that anyone is disputing this, i think herberts dj-ing is vastly different than akufen's. track selection alone will tell you that.

tricky disco, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

er dave.. "house music to me" = "what i want out of house music", not "house music IS". but yeah its linear quality just doesnt do it for me. i like bodily functions and my way but i just get frustrated by both artists seeming (ie the way it seems to me, not an indisputable fact) to dedicate all their concentration on the sounds they use that flesh out their tracks, rather than the percussive bare bones of the tunes. i'm just not into such (what i regard as) myopic micro-processing at the expense of an overall groove.

re todd edwards. im not that familiar, but it does seem as though he has a 12" out every few weeks, and i find it hard to distinguish between all his prolific output. As a result I decided to buy 'shut the door' (this is the classic, right?) and be done with it.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

ambrose, i understand that - our opinions differ. there's no problem. i sometimes like to take a less functionalist approach to house music, as this way i get to enjoy a lot of different stuff without thinking "it's not going to go bang-up in a club, ergo it's not what i want". i like different things at different times!!! still this is a more interesting way for this thread to go than the usual format for threads mentioning akufen, so keep it up by all means.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

AKUFEN!!!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

TODD EDWARDS!!!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

ZZZZZZZZZ!!!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

isnt akufen playing at fabric sometime? he played paris coupla weekends ago, maybe hes over for a bit.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

he's over in the very near future ... can't remember when

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

yo martin you really should be pushing for a target fabric mix

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I must stress here that I don't think ALL of Akufen's stuff is particularly Edwardsy, just My Way and some of the Perlon stuff. Battaglia OTM re: Akufen live--that performance was pretty acidy w/o actually sounding like acid, if that makes any sense. And I can see some Herbert comparison but not as much as other people. Anyway, my sense is that My Way was a phase and that his next record will sound much different, if that show as anything to go by.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i almost always prefer akufen remixing someone else to his own productions

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to hear more Akufen remixes of other people, obviously. strongo, what do you recommend?

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

the craig david ("what's your flavor") remix is like dem 2 after snorting a couple pixie sticks, and the massive attack remix ("special cases") is surprisingly subdued. i have a soft spot for the "nag nag nag" remix, but it's pretty gimmicky.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"i almost always prefer akufen remixing someone else to his own productions
-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyl...), June 23rd, 2004.

Why you always gotta be the turd in the punchbowl?

Julio down by the schoolyard (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

"er dave.. "house music to me" = "what i want out of house music", not "house music IS". but yeah its linear quality just doesnt do it for me. i like bodily functions and my way but i just get frustrated by both artists seeming (ie the way it seems to me, not an indisputable fact) to dedicate all their concentration on the sounds they use that flesh out their tracks, rather than the percussive bare bones of the tunes. i'm just not into such (what i regard as) myopic micro-processing at the expense of an overall groove."

but akufen usually does (except for some wankier remix tracks) balance the micro sampling with groove and most of the time he uses funk bass lines.

twelve, Thursday, 24 June 2004 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yeah sorry guy i've never seen here before i will do my best to adjust my tastes accordingly for you

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost, if it matters

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Wise strategy, Wrongo.

Julio down by the schoolyard (Da ve Segal), Thursday, 24 June 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah but isn't it annoying how all the funk basslines on My Way sound identical???

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 June 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

they don't!!!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:09 (nineteen years ago) link


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