http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL7ISg8_GcQ
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
"If you've ever suffered from clinical depression, you know the experience is impossible to convey to someone who hasn't also gone through it. It doesn't make sense. It's like trying to describe why you love somebody. How do you explain a lack of feeling, or interest, or pleasure, that is both numbing and excruciatingly painful? How do you account for a disconnection with the past and any conception of a future? It's not "living in the moment" -- it's being stuck in a moment from which you can't imagine any escape -- not just the feeling that this asphyxiating near-deadness will go on forever, but that you can't imagine ever having felt any other way (even though, logically, you know that is not possible). You can remember feeling pleasure -- no, make that "having felt pleasure" -- but you have no memory of what it actually felt like. One of the (many) reasons I probably connect so strongly with David Fincher's "Fight Club" (1999) is that, by capturing clinical depression more accurately than any other movie I've ever seen (though Laurent Cantet's "Time Out" and Eric Steel's "The Bridge" delve mighty deep into that abyss), it helped shake me out of the grips of a depression that was sucking me down at the time. I was the only person in the theater convulsed with laughter from beginning to end, because it was liberating, exhilarating, to see the truth of my own inner experience reflected back at me in its funhouse mirror...."
http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2008/07/fight_club_i_am_jacks_manicdep.html
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Haha I just read that this morning, Morbius. I've got Emerson's RSS in Google Reader.
― Pancakes Hackman, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
alien 3 made him hated by everyone in the world. except me, actually. i didn't mind it. i liked the sound of it. in fact i went back to the theatre and taped the movie with my tape recorder and then played it for weeks on my walkman when i walked to my midnight shift at the supermarket in new milford, connecticut.
!!!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Tip to clinically depressed people: don't play Alien 3 on your walkman.
For the record, I think it's an underrated film too.
― chap, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Alien 3 was my fav Fincher film until Zodiac came out.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Zodiac pushes him into classic status (prob one of my favorite movies of the decade) and Fight Club is tremendous too...other than that I actively dislike the rest of these movies!
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I see there's a new trade pb of essays on FC ... one dealing with the gay subtext (sic) called "The Club That Dare Not Speak Its Name."
http://www.amazon.com/You-Talk-About-Fight-Club/dp/1933771526
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
i still haven't seen zodiac; fight club is some bullshit. i like the madonna video for express yourself.
i had this
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Zodiac puts Fight Club to shame
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
(which is not hard, since FC is so goddamn silly)
we know your views on this, I think
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
that should make it harder, it's easier to shame something serious
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I really can't think of 5 film comedies better than Fight Club in the last 10 years.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
crazy talk
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Apatow's two movies are both funnier lolz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
FC>Zodiac>Seven>Alien3>The Game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Panic Room
― BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
funnier does not = better tho
the game is great
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I am always confused by the Fight Club backlash
― BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
too many people think its great
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
so contrarianism then. thats kind of what i thought.
― BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
its nihilism is boring and self-congratulatory and the basic premise is a bunch of nonsensical macho fantasy bullshit
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
the basic premise is a bunch of nonsensical macho fantasy bullshit
O RLY???
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
this is going to get into a source material problem again i think. not that i agree w/your summary, but you can hardly blame fincher for that. xpost
― BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
hey he made the movie
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
similar to what i said about tdk & all adaptations: who gives a shit about the source, & why is that in any way relevant to the discussione??
its basic premise IS a bunch of nonsensical macho fantasy bullshit, like, literally - i dont get how thats a valid criticism
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Shakes, have you read the Palahniuk? It's more a tap-in to depressive/sadomasochistic issues than "macho bullshit."
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
who gives a shit about the source, & why is that in any way relevant to the discussion
Because, except for a little wobbling before the climax, it's a fairly faithful adaptation (tho a tad more romantic-comedy) and reading it might help people who are seeing things in the film that ain't there.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
FC being about nihilism doesn't make it nihilist.
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
guy seems like a terrible writer from the flip-through I gave it. granted that was years ago.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
most of his other books are much worse
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
almost otm though i would switch zodiac and fight club and put a lot more distance between the game and alien 3
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
i disliked the movie for its 90s-style ahistoricism. ends on a 'revolutionary' note w/o even a hint of real politics leading up to, beyond contempt for ikea and fat women. seemed to reconfirm every stereotype that men of my generation are clueless. bolsheviks, who are they duuuude
― goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
how is a conclusion wherein the protagonist kisses his g/f with half his head blown off while buildings explode all around him NOT nihilistic?
(ftr the split-second porn insert is a much-needed bit of levity and I appreciated it)
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
ends on a 'revolutionary' note w/o even a hint of real politics leading up to, beyond contempt for ikea and fat women. seemed to reconfirm every stereotype that men of my generation are clueless. bolsheviks, who are they duuuude
yeah this really REALLY bothered me too. movie reduces insurrectionary politics to "lets blow stuff up hurhrurhur - oh wait I R SAD"
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
the problem is that shakey isnt seeing anything that isnt there hes just being a stubborn dick about it
wtf goole??? xps
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
One of my best friend's thesis is on Chuck P. He didn't listen to me.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
i think you guys are confusing the characters being psycho dicks with the movie endorsing their viewpoint.
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
shakey & goole = stalin + tolstoy
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
explain to me how the movie is critical of their viewpoint
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
or else its OFF TO THE GULAG
oh no, omar otm?
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
spending time with people who love fight club did more than anything else to make me never want to think about it again
― max, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
the cult's Iron Johnish myth is just one more sales pitch, the narrator comes to realize
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link
fight club FAILED as a movie because it did not start THE REVOLUTION
xp 2 max who doesnt love fight club other than wannabe commie insurrectionists
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd say the main plot is a bit of a traditional rom-com...hero learns to grow up and accept love (yawn, right). in fact id even suggest that a certain reading of the movie would say that it's MARLA who really saves the narrator and that Tyler was the last gasp, the nihilistic burst of freedom, needed to set that process of maturation in motion.
as Aldous Huxley said, fascism responds to real human needs, we just need to be grown up enough to resist them, to an extent.
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
morbius i am consistently otm everywhere i go
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
'the movie doesn't endorse their viewpoint' is the oldest apologist trick in the book -- viz a viz kubrick fans claiming for thirty years that a clockwork orange doesn't endorse alex despite the fact that he's glamorous and cool and charismatic and everyone else in the movie is portrayed as ugly and square.
― J.D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
"Tyler, I appreciate everything you've done for me, but this is too much." it's right in the dialogue, brahs.
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
ummm really. is that why he shoots himself in the face.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link