the team he's on is still such a trainwreck that i don't take much from some of his more questionable stats.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
wow great timing
his assist and rebounding numbers are, plainly, atrocious. he's pretty elite at avoiding turnovers, tho this might be because he never passes
the jury is still out on him as an efficient scorer -- you can definitely make the case that a young player like him has to get buckets first and then figure out how to score efficiently. but he's a league average 3p shooter right now and is shooting less than 50% on twos, and his percentage of total FGA that are between 10ft and the 3pt line has increased from 31% last year to 44% this year
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
knicks shd cut bait and trade him to the celtics imho
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 January 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link
he does need to learn how to pass....i think he would rebound more if he played more center and played less w/kanter.
i was dumbstruck to discover that the knicks have to give minutes to kanter, o'quinn, AND jo noah to the extent that hernangomez, who i really like, barely plays.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 5 January 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/11/16877958/kristaps-porzingis-superstar-injury-history
― k3vin k., Friday, 12 January 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
yeah wld agree that injuries are the biggest threat to zinger superstardom, the health record of guys his height is not too good
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
maybe all the guys in this poll are bad actually, embiid is still as undisciplined as a rookie and the other two cant defend
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
simmons also is bad giannis is good tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
but it wld be good to get a look at the zinger on a functional/team org, seeing dirk on that list of seven footers who managed big minutes and usage makes me wonder if his goto elbow shot wasnt just employed so much cause it was effective but also cause it didnt use that much energy, zinger shd just practice that shot lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
from Lowes piece:
• Porzingis has hit half of his shots in three of his past 16 games. He doesn't rebound or pass enough; his go-to move is catching the ball 15 feet from the rim, whipping around without taking a dribble or scanning the court, and launching. When he's going badly, Porzingis almost looks like a rich man's Harrison Barnes -- a guy who gets buckets one-on-one in the middle of the court, but doesn't really elevate his team in doing so.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
anybody got insider access? http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22665881/ranking-giannis-antetokounmpo-anthony-davis-25-best-nba-players-25
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
I voted KAT, who I predict is not going to be a consensus winner here due to his conspicuous defensive failings. otoh, I predict he will be extremely durable physically and have a long and very productive career, during which time, if he starts to get to the playoffs regularly, he'll improve his defense enough to not be a liability.
Embiid may surpass KAT in my esteem in the next few years, but his durability is open to doubt. As a Blazer fan, I've seen too many talented bigs go down in flames with shortened careers due to injury.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
I get bad vibes from KAT
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
what kind of bad vibes?
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
Admittedly haven't seen a whole lot of him, but from what I have seen he strikes me as lacking qualities that old dudes like me value: heart, toughness, fire, things of that nature. I can't see building a champ-caliber team around him.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
The unanswered question on KAT: is he Shaq-style unserious or Dwight-style unserious?
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
i was down on kat bigtime upthread for playing some of the worst defense ever but since then hes been totally better that fast improvement is heartening imho, on the flipside zingers stock is fn down exhaustion then injury does not bode well
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
yeah man zinger has dropped significantly.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/3/23/17153784/giannis-antetokounmpo-nikola-jokic-unicorns-bucks-nuggets
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
i voted
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
it’s fuckin embiid btw
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
yup
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
embiid prob wld win unanimously if not for the injury concerns
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:05 (six years ago) link
this is the minors tho the real poll is giannis v brow
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:06 (six years ago) link
brow is def above giannis atm
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
lot of ppl like giannis long term tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
simmonsembiidgiannisbrow
might make a good pt 2
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
hmmm now you have to make the poll thats the rules
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:23 (six years ago) link
ill wait to see who wins this one then bump them up to the bigs
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:25 (six years ago) link
eesh
Knicks owner James Dolan says Kristaps Porzingis may miss all of next season while he recovers from ACL surgery. 😱 https://t.co/LhYBNKqbcZ pic.twitter.com/aAs8qana1f— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) April 19, 2018
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
wtf, complications or is just cos he's a giant? horrible news.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
sounds like it cld just be dolan running his mouth tbh
“I’ve been told everything from December to him being out for the season, so I don’t know what to expect on that,” Dolan told the New York Post’s Larry Brooks this week. “But we can’t just sit on our ass while he’s away. We need to develop a team and then integrate him into it when he comes back.”
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
love when dolan gets more involved
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
he shd def take on the project of developing a team
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 20 April 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
battle of the hoops unicorns —2—
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
jokic last huh
― k3vin k., Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
I am shocked to think ilh may have failed to accurately predict the future
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 27 October 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
the thing u have to be able to do is project into the future― lag∞n, Monday, December 25, 2017 3:28 PM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Saturday, 27 October 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
told u but u dont listen
― lag∞n, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
i definitely voted for jokic here even though there's no proof
― ciderpress, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link
unicornism is out of style now
― lag∞n, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
jokic
― k3vin k., Monday, 14 January 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link
just gonna post "jokic" to this thread every couple of weeks now to let everyone know that I always believed in and continue to support big honey
― k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link
jokic averaging 25.5/12.2/8.5 this month on a .606 TS%, frankly absurd stuff
― k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link
http://bkref.com/tiny/oJa02
the 20-7-7 club :o
im glad he's figuring out how to be assertive and act like he knows he's the best player on the court on most nights.
― marcos smart (Spottie), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
his specific value is in no small part thanks to playing on a very deep switchy team on which he happens to be the best player. imo…
he has a well built roster around him but his specific value is in being able to get a shot off against any player in the league at the end of a series deciding playoff game, and having the ability to make them. or perhaps more generally what we saw yesterday or in game 6 vs milwaukee last year where he is a very specific type of unguardable offensive fulcrum who also can't easily be exploited on defense bcuz he's pretty good at 6' 9"
I will wait a month or so (winky face) to post my giannis thoughts but the short version is he’s a big toe and a couple of really hot nights at the free throw line away from being perceived quite differently…
this is true although he's at a level where the staying power of one title will only last so long. he's probably out of the grace period now, quite frankly. the expectation for the next 2-3 years, regardless of what else happens w/ the bucks' roster, is that we'll see them in the finals again at least once at minimum. and if he doesn't win another one it will in all likelihood result in lots of ppl having more explicit conversations along the lines of what you just said about him. and look if jokic or tatum win it this year they'll be on the same clock too. that's the game. but certainly giannis getting the first has helped, and you could argue it was a funky title! the nets were hurt, the hawks were a paper tiger, all 4 bubble conference finals teams were evidently sapped of energy. so we'll see, lots of chapters still left to be written for these guys (except maybe embiid...)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 15 May 2023 23:19 (eleven months ago) link
did we ever determine whether jokic was the most impactful half court offensive player in the league
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 June 2023 15:35 (ten months ago) link
he was pretty impactful against markieff morris
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:04 (ten months ago) link
sadly for us all the snarky revives of this thread lose their impact given that k3v reminded us that he voted for embiid :[ the honesty is very much appreciated tho
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:19 (ten months ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:21 (ten months ago) link
hahaha
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:52 (ten months ago) link
this thread would be your magnum opus if only you could delete that one double post in your moment of weaknessit’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglinkit’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink― Spottie, Thursday, November 18, 2021 5:22 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink
it’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
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― Spottie, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:28 (ten months ago) link
it’s Shakespearean
― Clay, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 20:12 (ten months ago) link