This is the inevitable thread for ILxors in their forties

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My own (hopefully distant) death, although unwelcome, has much less fear and anxiety for me now compared to the not-that-far-off deaths of certain people around me. I know I'll cope when they pass on, but being 18 and not having to think about any of that seems like it happened to a different person in a different century (oh wait that last part is true). OTOH all of that is usually blocked out by the constant front-and-centre problem of not having any money.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link

Old Lunch get busy ! Stumbling forward pretending you know what you’re doing is fun

calstars, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link

40s not working out so far

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link

9 more glorious months

Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link

just under 12 months left gods willing

I think I learned a lot of stuff this decade, unfortunately a lot of it was learned the hard way but at least I learned.

unless personal growth is a sick trick our brains play on us to disguise the march towards oblivion

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link

“God wiling” is right. One of the things I’ve realized is that I can be struck down any day now.

calstars, Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link

unless personal growth is a sick trick our brains play on us to disguise the march towards oblivion

it’s this

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link

i recently became one of these :(

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:44 (six years ago) link

My own (hopefully distant) death, although unwelcome, has much less fear and anxiety for me now compared to the not-that-far-off deaths of certain people around me.

yeah :( ... I feel like the past year has been a consistent stream of people I know dying, some older, some fellow 40-somethings, some much younger. Apart from that, my 40s are so much better than my 30s.

sarahell, Friday, 29 December 2017 09:38 (six years ago) link

I remember someone telling me that 40 is the cut-off point for "promising". By then, you've either delivered on your promise or you haven't.

But enjoy your 40s, people. I'm in my early 50s, and I can report it's worse.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 December 2017 10:31 (six years ago) link

I remember someone telling me that 40 is the cut-off point for "promising". By then, you've either delivered on your promise or you haven't.

But enjoy your 40s, people. I'm in my early 50s, and I can report it's worse.


although i feel it sometimes, i don’t like that idea of “unfulfilled promise” very much.

one opposition to that you see cited quite a lot is “oh look at these amazing people who didn’t start doing the thing they’re known for until they were 40/50/60 etc” but i don’t find that very helpful either.

but there is an implication behind it which is, there is emotional and external material, a “you in the now”, which you didn’t have before, which characterises your experience in a way you won’t have felt before.

of course that may not always be very pleasant. i remember earlier this year, very sober, having watched a brutal, melancholy film (Maurice Pialat’s Nous ne viellirons pas ensemble/We Won’t Grow Old Together), doing the washing up late at night, in silence, feeling alone and failed, but also very much me - aware of myself, my age, my state.

as i say it wasn’t pleasant but it wasn’t bad either. the sort of feeling you might get when examining a life under a bare, high-wattage bulb. it felt mine, and i didn’t really care for anyone else’s thanks, and i certainly won’t deem myself a failure or having failed to deliver promise by any one else’s definition of “success” or society’s current views about what “success” looks like.

was reading this maggie nelson interview earlier this week

I think I'm more of a Beckett-like thinker — an "I can't go on, I will go" kind of a person. I believe what you are saying is true about imagining presents and futures, but the form that my optimism often takes is an attention to the things I think are good that we have right now

that is not the same as being “grateful for small mercies” god help us, and it’s certainly not the same as telling anyone to cheer up, but it is a way of saying “there are resources available to age that youth does not have, even if, or perhaps especially because, some of them are not unequivocally cheerful or happy. without wishing to be complacent or speak on behalf of everyone too much, there are good things there.

also went round an exhibition of ilya and emilia’s kabakov’s installation pieces yesterday. and one was an unending, badly lit, soviet era apartment corridor, with the reminiscences and blurred black and white photos of snowy townscapes and parkland, of ilya’s 80-year-old mother. she’d been born in 1902 i think.

her entire life was spent living in cramped quarters, having to desert loved ones, or being deserted by others, or being moved on by the authorities, getting employment and losing it again.

she did endure tho. and at the end she said her past miseries had faded and she was only aware of the current state of things - for her that was relative comfort in an apartment her son had finally been able to buy for her.

that is before it got demolished and she had to move on again aged 80.

not entirely sure what the message is there - maybe “life can be endurable misery with death at the end, so do what you can and feel the heft of your own person and space in the world”

idk. talked myself into a corner innit.

Fizzles, Friday, 29 December 2017 13:56 (six years ago) link

posts very much in character

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 29 December 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link

agree about the inadequacy of "potential" and "failure" as concepts - they're just wrong ways of seeing the world, and super-especially wrong ways of seeing oneself. one of the things i've been working on with my counselor. my potential was always some shit other people were trying to lay on me, until the point where it internalized. but i don't think i care about most of that tbh. the paths i cd've taken would have had their own quiddities and agonies, and i don't believe any of them would have taken me any closer to who i want to be.

acceptance isn't acquiescence. i think i'm beginning to understand the satisfaction of that bare high-wattage bulb. think it throws a lot of unnecessary baggage into the shadows where it belongs.

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 December 2017 14:16 (six years ago) link

You would think at this age people would stop telling me "oh, you're young, you've got plenty of time" when I tell them I don't have children.

(Never mind the assumption that I want them!)

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 29 December 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link

Or that people would stop asking if I've finished with school YES NEARLY TWENTY YEARS AGO.

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 29 December 2017 14:23 (six years ago) link

acceptance isn't acquiescence. i think i'm beginning to understand the satisfaction of that bare high-wattage bulb. think it throws a lot of unnecessary baggage into the shadows where it belongs.

yes this is rly well put and what i think i was trying to reach towards.

Fizzles, Friday, 29 December 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link

Enjoy your 40s like you enjoy every day that you can.

What you see much more in your 40s is people leaving you permanently. You appreciate the fragility of life much more in your 40s, particularly as you near 50.

When someone tells you that you are in "the fall of your life" it carries so much more weight.

Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Friday, 29 December 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link

posts very much in character


ha ha thomp yew sod.

Fizzles, Friday, 29 December 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link

agree about the inadequacy of "potential" and "failure" as concepts - they're just wrong ways of seeing the world

Around age 40 I wrote a poem I titled "Killing My Potential". The gist was that my 'potential' was always an unhelpful imposition by others, which I neither wanted nor asked for, and disencumbering myself of it was a wise and necessary move.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 December 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link

Or that people would stop asking if I've finished with school YES NEARLY TWENTY YEARS AGO.


what’s this promoted by tokyo r? i mean as you say the obv response is “r u fkn serious m8?”

Fizzles, Friday, 29 December 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link

It is usually asked at work most often by security guards or customers making small talk, I guess. (See also the guard whose second question to me was where did my boyfriend work.) Although the VP asked it once, and I just wanted to ask, did you even read any of our resumes that I know are on file?

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 30 December 2017 02:21 (six years ago) link

40 has been an ok year. I've had a more active social life than I've had in awhile and have been meeting new people and making new friends.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 30 December 2017 02:28 (six years ago) link

one time when i learned how direly old tokyo r was i exclaimed 'wow, you look much younger!' and she said 'i know!'

mookieproof, Saturday, 30 December 2017 02:54 (six years ago) link

i always enjoy your longposts, fizzles.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 December 2017 02:59 (six years ago) link

40.5 rn, so far not so bad

the late great, Saturday, 30 December 2017 03:04 (six years ago) link

Forties have been pretty good to me! More perspective, less lack of clarity, more acceptance of what i need and where i can accept not excelling. Definitely a half step up from the thirties so far.
One caveat: i am now in pain all the time. So there is that.

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 December 2017 03:10 (six years ago) link

one time when i learned how direly old tokyo r was i exclaimed 'wow, you look much younger!' and she said 'i know!'

This is true.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 30 December 2017 03:30 (six years ago) link

I'm closing in on 41. Not sure if it's been the best of years, but it's definitely... making aspects of life more real somehow, and making me more aware of time's passage, that there's stuff I HAVE to deal with before long, etc.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 30 December 2017 03:30 (six years ago) link

there's not much time left before i am sentenced to a decade of hard time in this thread

what cool stuff should i do before then to milk my thirties for all they're worth

j., Saturday, 30 December 2017 03:42 (six years ago) link

nothing man

40s are the new 30s anyway

the late great, Saturday, 30 December 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link

There isn't a fifties thread.

Mark G, Saturday, 30 December 2017 09:36 (six years ago) link

I had an OK 40s. In my 40s, I'd squarely reached middle age, and yet the worst of middle age had yet to hit me. I felt in the midst of life, bringing up a child, doing enough of the creative things I'd always wanted to do not to feel too bitter and twisted. The idea of my own death had yet to take too much of a hold on me, and physically all was not too bad. Now in my early 50s, my body is not playing ball so much, I'm taking pills for cholesterol and hypertension, a bad knee has stopped me from jogging for the past year, and mortality feels so much closer. My parents are ailing, my Dad is sliding into dementia. There's a real feeling of "this is it, this is the life you've made, you had your chance and this is what you did with it". I mean it's not all bad, but I feel a kind of fatalism about things...

Zelda Zonk, Saturday, 30 December 2017 10:27 (six years ago) link

There isn't a fifties thread.

it’s inevitable

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 30 December 2017 10:43 (six years ago) link

See you all on the ILXor fifties thread in six and a bit years. Hopefully I won't be flat broke by then.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:49 (six years ago) link

I'm only beginning to not be the youngest person in my line of work, aside from grad students. I am moving into the middle period of this thread's subject. It is strange to watch the world turn to amber around you.

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 30 December 2017 12:05 (six years ago) link

this will make me sound about 90 but i’m consistently impressed by the younger people coming through. they are focused, switched on, sexually frank, even cynical and uninhibited, aware, “woke” if you like, hard working, professional and competent. i’m sure they’re not all like this but it feels like the next-gen is like “next gen” is sometimes used in a technology sense - better, cleverer, smarter. hopefully recouping some of that “coastal shelf” discussed in the this be the verse thread.

moving into my forties - and this is partly because of the state of the u.k. at the moment - i feel i’m doing far more of my learning from people younger than me than i am from people older than me. this is good.

Fizzles, Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link

See you all on the ILXor fifties thread in six and a bit years. Hopefully I won't be flat broke by then.

haha ditto

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:17 (six years ago) link

There isn't a fifties thread.

it’s inevitable

I'll break out a sixties thread in 2021, if someone else doesn't do it first.

I like Fizzles post. I don't necessarily agree--primarily because of demographic gap; between the kids in my school (14 and under) and the youngest teachers I work with (basically, 30), I don't know really know anyone 15-30--but it's a nice change from the usual whining from people like me.

clemenza, Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link

I'm 46 and have generally enjoyed my forties. It's been a good time for me in terms of general well-being / happiness / stability. Marriage, children, music-making, and work are all going fine. I have a mix of childhood friends and new ones, my family doesn't drive me nuts, I have low-key interests and few needs.

My body is definitely feeling it, though. Nothing dire, but a steady stream of minor complaints. Unexplained pains here and nagging aches there. Needing different glasses for the computer vs. reading vs. distance. I'm trying to take all this with good humor.

My body is getting to a state like that of a beloved car with a lot of mileage on it. Things are starting to wear out, some bits just fell off somewhere and haven't been replaced. At some point something major is going to need to be repaired, and it won't be worth it; my wife will have me towed off to the junkyard. But not today. Not yet.

twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link

My forties have been absolutely shit so far and this year doesn't look like it's going to be any better.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link

username checks out

twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link

I'll break out a sixties thread in 2021, if someone else doesn't do it first.

I could start one now, but it would be fairly lonesome in there. I've seen strong hints that there are a few other over-60 ilxors, but they tend not to flaunt their age. Even if they did out themselves, I'm not sure there'd be very much to say.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link

Medicare providers S/D C/D

calstars, Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link

What, end up getting escorted to the Hoffman pages?

Mark G, Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link

My sense was that you were already there, Aimless, but didn't want to be presumptuous.

clemenza, Saturday, 30 December 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link

Had to shoehorn myself into the forties thread and you gave me the opening.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 30 December 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link

My forties have been a calamity. Did some good work at the beginning that pointed me in some interesting new directions, but starting midway through 42, there was a loud gear shift into a slow crawl of misfortunes which continues to deliver at least one new insupportable weight per annum. Am at this point just a collection of maladaptive tics, bottled-up resentment stories, counterproductive self-soothing strategies that walks like a person. I always knew I should never be a parent because the enormity of the responsibility would drive me insane, but I’ve ended up more or less right in that place without kids anyway, and lo and behold it’s ruined my mind. Occasionally I am able to confirm that the prior, useful me is still in there under debris. Am glad that’s the case. I’ll turn 50 in mid-2020.

Feel you bro

calstars, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link

Turned 46 two weeks ago. On the career side, I feel great - the last time I had a regular office job was in May 2016, and we (25th wedding anniversary coming up in June!) are still living in middle-class comfort based solely on freelance work. Health-wise, well, I'm diabetic, but other than that things are fine - I've always been remarkably lucky with stuff like that, never even broke a limb growing up.

As far as life ambitions, I have a single big idea I'm working on: escaping the US. I think I can pull it off. Beyond that, I'm just gonna keep working and doing things I enjoy - my website and the podcast I launched in October - and maybe write another book in 2018.

I don't care about young people at all anymore. If you're under 30 (35, if I'm being honest), your opinion means nothing to me, basically. I just assume you're an idiot and wait for someone who's actually lived in the world for a while to speak up.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link

Not feeling this bro tho

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link


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