Remake/Remodel: DC Rebirth so you don't have to

Legion's history has never made any sense

when they're doing it right, yes

I personally feel that random individual Legionnaires, off on their own, are of very limited interest... the main appeal of the Legion (for me) is the space-opera scope of the whole team together, in its element.

are you suggesting that DC might be making a dumb publishing decision based solely on airing some dormant IP

i'm suggesting a split gilbert hernandez matter eater lad / jaime night girl/phantom book or gtfo

Penny Century >> Laurel Gand

Without wishing to troll, the Legion is dumb dated bullshit and can fuck off

it did!

It has at least 3 times in 20 years, LOL

I am quite enjoying... Doomsday Clock

Weird mix of curiosity about where the story's going, hate read, and actual enjoyment

Forgive me

The first issue had me guiltily intrigued. The second issue was a hot mess and I'm done.

Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. Whoops, it’s Krypto... :(

It makes more sense to think of this as the se

I mean,

It makes more sense to think of this as the sequel to Zak Snyder's Watchmen

I see that they mention Tom Strong in that Terrifics solicitation. The Mooresploitation continues apace!

Why doesn't Moore own the ABC stuff again?

Looked it up; ABC was an imprint of Wildstorm which got acquired by DC

Not shedding any tears for Snake Man though

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildStorm#Creator-owned_titles

ABC is listed under Wildstorm's creator owned titles. I know that several of these titles have nothing to do with DC now but where did ABC go wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Best_Comics A little more info here, and on the LOEG page

The short version was that ABC was negotiated with Moore right before Lee sold Wildstorm, and Moore decided to compromise until DC pissed him off with movie business. He wrapped up his contributions and took League elsewhere, while some other series were continued for a while. I have no idea who owns the other characters or how the licensing and ownership stands for the other books

Listing them under Wildstorm is technically true, but only so much as they published the line

It's just weird that he didn't secure ownership of his characters when many other less experienced Wildstorm creators did.

I think he has ownership, but the publishing rights were (and likely still are) held by Wildstorm/DC

It’d be a very Moore move to not make more material in order to help kill sales of the existing material if it’s DC publishing it

DC shouldn't be able to incorporate ABC characters if Moore still owns them.

I think the reason he could do more League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen is because they are public domain characters.

Whether it's ownership or publishing rights, it's weird that he didn't get this sorted.

If kids like J Scott Campbell and Joe Madureira can do it then why can't Moore?

What characters have they been using?

never mind, saw the Tom Strong mention

Here we go:
https://www.cbr.com/dc-rights-americas-best-comics-alan-moore/

Thanks. I'm sure it's all written somewhere but it still leaves the questions of why he didn't do a creator owned deal for all of ABC and why DC is allowed LoEG movie and reprint rights.

Because the market was in the dumper and he needed money, afaict

The short version was that ABC was negotiated with Moore right before Lee sold Wildstorm,

Lee specifically had Moore create an entire line to make the Wildstorm sale more attractive to DC - it was basically ABC and the colouring department that DC bought.

Lee and Dunbier flew to England the morning the sale was announced to mollify Moore in person.

and Moore decided to compromise until DC pissed him off with movie business.

and multiple incidents of censorship. He compromised for one reason only: he'd committed to a year of each title, and it would have been putting about ten artists and Klein out of work.

He wrapped up his contributions

He'd already gone two years beyond his initial plans, because he got so excited about the work once he was deep in it, tbf. (He originally thought that other writers of his stature would want to come in from the #13s.)

and took League elsewhere,

League was an Homage (Wildstorm's creator-owned imprint) book, not created for ABC. Lee muddied the waters by moving it under ABC at DC for bookkeeping purposes: Moore's cheques came from a separate company called Firewall, LLC, not DC/Warner.

while some other series were continued for a while. I have no idea who owns the other characters or how the licensing and ownership stands for the other books

??

― mh, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:51 AM (two hours ago)

It's just weird that he didn't secure ownership of his characters when many other less experienced Wildstorm creators did.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 6:10 AM (one hour ago)

He made the line WFH in order to get higher page rates for the artists. It's only weird if you ignore his entire publishing career, where he perpetually makes decisions based on the principle that he would prefer to assume he is dealing with honorable people who won't fuck him over, rather than ever pay attention to business matters. "Whatever you think is best, Steve."

I think he has ownership, but the publishing rights were (and likely still are) held by Wildstorm/DC

― mh, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 6:12 AM (one hour ago)

He has no ownership whatsoever.

I swear I've typed all this out on here every 18 months for the last 13 years.

i was gonna write 'in before sic' but juuuuuuust missed it

It's only weird if you ignore his entire publishing career, where he perpetually makes decisions based on the principle that he would prefer to assume he is dealing with honorable people who won't fuck him over

― Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 1 January 2018 21:21

Still very strange that he was willing to assume this.

not even sure why I postulate or google search instead of calling the sic hotline tbh

Still very strange that he was willing to assume this.

maybe if you finish reading the sentence it will explain it

Still very strange

‘taste’s very strange!’

you may have noticed that alan moore is strange

Sometimes it's hard to tell if he's being fucked over, or being a spanner, or hoping he'll get screwed so he can say "I told you so" afterwards, or all of the above.

Which is to say, I think it's amazing that he's so uncompromising, but I'm not always sure he's telling the truth, based on my experience with less-talented male blowhards of a similar age.

e.g. There's a really long-winded interview here where Moore keeps talking about wanting to be called up and "thanked for the money" by Dave Gibbons, which made me a little leery of him, at least with regards to his personal relationships with artists.

Doomsday Clock is bad

It is an indefensible work of terrible art, but I'm enjoying it.

i think DC made some good strides in 2017, generally

finally firing eddie berganza for example

Why comics stunk in the ‘90s, Pt. XXIXXIV:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DrlRzS-8AbI/Wldo-Epfo7I/AAAAAAABUCw/vjjNz4vREM4GFCbmJVJE7csteApw1FIvACLcBGAs/s1600/superboy45-1.jpg

because Rebirth hadn't started yet, obv

can't believe I'd never heard of Dr Mid-Nite's owl sidekick 'Hooty' before

https://i.imgur.com/a6dKRtF.jpg

can't get over how much this looks like a pixelated boat cartoon

I can’t stop thinking of the Sesame Street character Hoots, now

Where the Blowfish at, amirite?

i don't remember Hooty making it the early 2000s JSA run