I don't agree that "hipsters" as they were 10 years ago or thru the 00s exist anymore. I think treeship is right, although I don't particularly miss them or bros. Everyone is plugged into the same thing, everything orbiting Trump is sadly otm, even if it's like "i don't give a shit." writing an anti-Trump song or make a statement is the most predictable and boring thing an artist could do. totally different than the GWB years, when Lightning Bolt wrote "what the worlds needs is another dead cowboy" and Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't care about black people" on national tv. the Dixie Chicks were pilloried by the media and their fans and Clear Channel.
the hipster subculture/counterculture of the 00s that spawned all the new weird america bands and noise bands and wham city and fort thunder, that collapsed because of the decline of CD-R's and the corporate vinyl boom, which has made DIY touring so much harder for independent bands. indie bands with only a demo (if that) now hire managers, agents, lawyers, and booking agents really early, and those bands get written about.
anyway, bros and hipsters were v toxic and misogynistic. bros are obvious, and one needs only to look at old posts on ILX to see the typical hipster mindset/pose. I lament the loss of musical subculture and underground, and that brief period in the 00s when artists like Dan Deacon and Animal Collective could license their songs to Crayola without having to make some indie apologia. now everyone is doing car commercials and all the rock bands are incredibly boring. girlpool being an exception.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
olds like murmur i think. i mean so do i.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:39 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I meant to write Murmur!
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
We were making fun of hipsters on ILX in the 00s. At least the NY fappers were. I don't remember the misogyny at all.
I would take Stand over the Sidewinder Sleeps Tonight all day long. Olds like Murmur or Life's Rich Pageant.
― Yerac, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
Oh! I was like, Document??? Ok...
― Yerac, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
I don't like hipster obscurity for it's own sake but it sounds pretty refreshing now.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link
I don't either, but shallow obscurity =/= subcultural depth. what fort thunder and wham city did was real and powerful, free of corporate sponsorship, but most importantly, it spawned a lot of really great innovative music and art. it was also very integrated musically - now scenes based on genre (punk v. wispy indie rock v. electronic music v. avant garde v. hip hop) are very isolated from each other.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
"=/="
Equals? Doesn't equal?
I still haven't heard Fort Thunder music but I know the artwork. Just seemed like they were having fun to me, though I'm sure some of the fans were into the obscurity aspect most.
I think I only saw hipsters once at a Boredoms gig though.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
does not equal
fort thunder and wham city and all the bands listed in that poll whiney made a few years ago, the excitement and power of them was they were able to sustain themselves by touring and selling CDRs and limited run vinyl. some of the work was pretty out there but a lot of it was rooted in rock/pop traditions. sure, CDR punishers existed, but what made that era special was the freedom and how wide the horizon seemed. now artists in similar positions at similar levels of visibility get "people" much earlier in their careers. which isn't inherently a problem, but it feels constrained, safe, calculated. that 00s cottage industry of experimental and fringe artists had a lot in common with 80s hardcore/punk/alternative, all the bands written about in Azerrad's Our Band Could Be Your Life.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:45 (six years ago) link
controversial opinion: != > =/=
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link
i live in portland. hipsters still exist.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
Sometimes it seems like social justice kids only want Disney films and pop singers, but if I injected them with the blood of hipsters it might balance out nicely.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
Take it to ILM ppl
― .oO (silby), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
con·tro·ver·sialˌkäntrəˈvərSHəl,ˌkäntrəˈvərsēəladjectivegiving rise or likely to give rise to public disagreement.
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
whereas most of yr posts are just douchey
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
All downhill from Chronic Town.
^truth
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
≠ > != > =/= > <> > not(equal(a b))
― Sanpaku, Sunday, 17 December 2017 01:16 (six years ago) link
not(equal(a b))
idk, the drum machine's a surprisingly good fit on this one
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 17 December 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
40+ and hip: Reckoning is better than Murmur30-40 and hip: New Adventures In Hi-Fi is better than AFTP20-30 and hip: *deletes all Lil Pump songs that don't feature Yachty*
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 17 December 2017 02:16 (six years ago) link
I must be 40 and hip. I'm at least one of those.
This is a weird-ass detour for this thread, but I've been thinking lately every time REM pops up that, after a generation that has seemingly completely overlooked them, their time might be coming around again. Kids gonna be looking for more of that earnest, sincere, rootsy REM sound as the world is collapsing around their ears.
― Ooey Gooey Fresh and Frothy (Old Lunch), Sunday, 17 December 2017 02:59 (six years ago) link
actually the only hip and truly controp is that rem has 5 tracks at best and none of their records are classics
― flappy bird, Sunday, 17 December 2017 03:08 (six years ago) link
I'd argue that's more a challenging rather than controversial opinion.
― Ooey Gooey Fresh and Frothy (Old Lunch), Sunday, 17 December 2017 03:24 (six years ago) link
What's controversial is anyone under 30 caring about R.E.M.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 December 2017 03:26 (six years ago) link
REM should be killed
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 December 2017 03:29 (six years ago) link
Xan on the Moon
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 17 December 2017 03:29 (six years ago) link
lmao goddammit
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 December 2017 03:43 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:26 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not controversial
― flappy bird, Sunday, 17 December 2017 04:05 (six years ago) link
i listen to 'what's the frequency kenneth' like twice a year
― flopson, Sunday, 17 December 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link
Like is this on yr calendar
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 December 2017 05:12 (six years ago) link
I’m 38 and REM’s relevance had to be explained to me and I literally only started to like them when ILX voted “Harbourcoat” #1 and I listened to the rest of the record and thought “hey this is good”
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 17 December 2017 05:31 (six years ago) link
My controversial opinion is that people bearing ill will and/or schadenfreude toward failing-artists that once capitalized-upon-a-kind-of-glorification-of-youthful-exuberance-are-themselves-mourning-their-own-loss-of-faith
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 17 December 2017 05:34 (six years ago) link
nah man, lcd soundsystem blows
― sleepingbag, Sunday, 17 December 2017 05:35 (six years ago) link
I’m 38 and REM’s relevance had to be explained to me
ok
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 17 December 2017 05:39 (six years ago) link
xxp truth bomb
― the late great, Sunday, 17 December 2017 05:40 (six years ago) link
LCD were the best thing for exactly fourteen weeks in 2002-2003
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 17 December 2017 06:21 (six years ago) link
i think they were also the best thing for a few weeks in 2004 when "yeah" came out, and then again for a few weeks in 2006 when "45:33" came out
― the late great, Sunday, 17 December 2017 06:23 (six years ago) link
The fuck ppl
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 December 2017 11:41 (six years ago) link
The Fuck People was a terrible band
― all this youthless booty (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 December 2017 11:54 (six years ago) link
I've been hearing people say things like this a lot and I don't know if they mean they literally haven't listened to a whole album or that they just don't tend to? I cant imagine just switching albums off so easily.
I bail out of 90 percent of albums. The minute you bore me, I'm done. Life is short.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 17 December 2017 13:07 (six years ago) link
Agree and I take the same approach with books
― calstars, Sunday, 17 December 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
drifting way off thread topic but aren't there records, books, all kinds of art that don't set out to blow you away from the beginning but appeal to different kinds of mood and build up their appeal over time?
― all this youthless booty (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 December 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link
The Hold Steady is fucking terrible.
― Yerac, Sunday, 17 December 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link
Japanese gyoza are always a disappointment.
― Yerac, Sunday, 17 December 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
i'm positive there are great records i haven't heard because i haven't given them enough of a chance, but there are always going to be great records i haven't heard.
at this point in my life i've listened to enough records that i'm confident enough about what i like, even if i can't describe it in concrete terms. it's not a question of genre or style but simply the sound of a thing. i don't give up on a record if it doesn't make me say "this is awesome" within the first five seconds - in fact a record that impresses me that much within the first five seconds is more likely to turn out to be a disappointment - but within thirty seconds a record needs to convince me it's interesting enough to continue listening to. as an example of a record that does that i'd say david bowie's "station to station". basically nothing happens in the first two minutes of that song, but the sound of nothing happening is compelling enough to convince me to keep listening. on the other hand i listened to an aor song by brother firetribe called "inedible champions" the other day, and while i like their attitude i just don't find aor to be to my taste.
my tastes do change over the years, mind, and if i give up on an album i may come back to it three or five years later and love it. i loathed the velvet underground the first time i heard them.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 17 December 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link
The fuck ppl pls make yr way to xmas fuck thread
― infinity (∞), Sunday, 17 December 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:07 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 December 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Also threads
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 December 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
Some records are slow burners, so I mean do those get tossed aside? I like rush' mention of station to station, good example
― In a slipshod style (Ross), Sunday, 17 December 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
No. I agree with everything rushomancy said (except that I don't like Station to Station).
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 17 December 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
Life is shortPost a controp
― infinity (∞), Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
All halls of fame (rock, sports, whatever) should be burned to the ground.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link