"Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" by the Smashing Pumpkins

As the original poster says, the reason it gets put down is because of Corgan's unwillingness to make an album for adults. If I had been 25 when this came out I'd probably have hated it - the bawling vocal, the post-grunge/proto-emo "you don't understand me OR MY MUSIC" white middle class ethic; the Queen/Prog-inspired pomp and circumstance. It's enough to make a man sick.

But to a 15 year old kid, this tastes like candy-apples. It is a decade old album, and in the same way that at the time we laughed at the Human League, the Smiths and Big Daddy Kane, so to do we about this in 2006. This is why it'll be critically re-evaluated in another ten years and top many a best-of list.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:54 AM (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dog Latin was wrong - this album has never went away. It's been in "best albums you must hear before you croak" type of lists since ever.

flappy thanks for that video. hadn't heard this since i was there
27:15>29:50 wowowow

ah awesome! that must've been a crazy show, lineup was stacked

i seriously can't imagine the life of the person who only likes the quiet smashing pumpkins songs. they probably put salt in their coffee and live in a tent in a tree

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:52 AM bookmarkflaglink

i can play "here is no why" on the drums now :D

of course, next to "1979" that is probably the simplest non-synthetic drum part on this record

Tribute cover version of the full album next

the hi-hat accents on "1979" seem like they'd be tricky to pull off!

oh i guess it's the drum machine that does those:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuOFL_XU7jc

^^

and even then, hard to pull off with the same feel (drum-machine assist in the original I guess)

according to leading randos, Chamberlain didn't bother trying to do the hi-hat accents live, either

xp

i tried to drum along to "geek usa" yesterday too and it was hilarious. chamberlin is a tank

Nah JC is playing along with the drum machine on 1979, I can't listen to confirm but iirc the hi hat accent only comes in after the first stanza?

Here is No Why is so much fun to play, Brad

these are things i already implicitly knew but there's an extra reality to it when i'm trying to make my idiot arms and legs do anything he does, especially at that speed

i can play "rhinoceros" too, primarily because it's slow. it's also a blast xp

what about To Forgive? that's a great drum part

iirc the hi hat accent only comes in after the first stanza

yep

SP has like 10000000 great drum parts

hearing what JC can do with just a lil trap kit in the first sets of the pajama shows is so valuable. I think they played To Forgive in that set? or no, they alternated.

what about To Forgive? that's a great drum part

― flappy bird, Wednesday, July 15, 2020 10:16 AM (forty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i played along with it yesterday too but i'm pretty sure i severely bowdlerized it, gonna have to study further

i'm honestly proud of myself for even being able to suss out how he's playing what he's playing without drum cover videos, when i first started drumming jimmy's playing made absolutely no sense to me

i tried to drum along to "geek usa" yesterday too and it was hilarious. chamberlin is a tank

one of several SP songs I can't even passably air drum

when i hear drum rolls, i know i'm either about to cherub rock or watch pocahontas on disney+

those snare rolls during the second and third choruses of Here is No Why >>>>

great use of the Ab octave pumpkin chord in that part!

that song kicks so much ass

I haven't drummed in forever but I would love to attempt drumming 'Muzzle'. At least that first bit. I assume the logistics are a little something like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV5JOQyUYNg

The drums on "Jellybelly" are maniacal.

Years ago I had friends that put together a Pumpkins cover band for a benefit and I hung out at a bunch of their practices. Even just watching someone else try to learn Jimmy's parts brought me a whole new appreciation.

did they try Jellybelly? lol

yeah even the "simple" parts are deceptively complex (like To Forgive, or even the straightforward electric version of Disarm where he comes in on the second verse)

tomorrow’s just an excuse away

my 6 yr old loves "an ode to no one"