2020 Democratic presidential primary

I must have missed that time when Ron Paul was the best-liked politician in the country (including a supermajority of Dems)

(I don't think his running is a good idea, I just think it's a weird comparison.)

Nonagenarian Dem prez candidate or gtfo.

it's a stupid comparison

the only reason not to dismiss Sanders, however, would be everyone else

I must have missed that time when Ron Paul was the best-liked politician in the country (including a supermajority of Dems)

― Simon H., 15. december 2017 16:15 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, because this worked so well for the Dems last year.

Sorry, nevermind that. Let this be a thread where we mostly just joke about the stupidity of the early part of the process. I like that Gillbrand isn't even on the list, and now with #MeToo she's considered the frontrunner in certain areas. So much speculation :)

One more time, Fred:

I don't think his running is a good idea, I just think it's a weird comparison.

xp

is Gillebrand the one who has essentially voted against Trump every single time?

And yes Gillibrand seems to be the least offensive to the widest swath of the left and center-left...for now

My comparison was based on him being a movement candidate in 2008 and a relic in 2012. Would like to see this play out in 2020 for Sanders, should he be dumb enough to get in the race again.

I suspect that if anything Bernie is more popular now than when he was running, so I don't expect quite the same trajectory there. But obviously it's a long way out.

Not really that long. Midterms in under a year and I’m sure there’s going to be meaningful trial balloons before then. Heck, summer’s Medicare for All sign-ons were pretty suggestive of primary-oriented thinking on the part of Booker, Harris, etc.

I’m concerned way too many people decide to run but maybe that’s better than a sparse field. I fear Tulsi Gabbard and Booker the most for different reasons.

Bernie’s big foreign policy address he gave a couple months back was a pretty good presidential gesture that others should be doing if they are serious and he should have done in 16. Gillibrand’s political instincts have been the best so far and maybe just a complete break from 2016 baggage is the best step forward but honestly who knows if we have an election at this point.

Gillibrand’s 'centrist' past still a big red flag to me; who knows when she'll flip again

What?!! Uh oh.

no Klobuchar wtf

I’m concerned way too many people decide to run but maybe that’s better than a sparse field.

remember 2008?

jeez i wonder if people would vote Dem if they promised free public health care for all

do they have a Think Tank that has raised that question yet?

needed Have You Seen the Other Guys? poll option

I’m concerned way too many people decide to run but maybe that’s better than a sparse field.

remember 2008?

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),

Yeah I guess that worked out. Although that GOP 2016 field was a little ridiculous with the second stage/b candidates. Mainly I just don’t want celebrities running.

just so you know re celebs, an extremely dumb movie-awards blogger is already writing shit like this

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2017/12/rock-20-not-24/

it's normal when the party out of power boasts 245 candidates. Remember 2004 too?

"moderate republicans" can fuck off forever, celebrities or otherwise xp

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/the-six-candidates-for-the-republican-nomination-in-the-news-photo/543727074?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect

https://i0.wp.com/hennessysview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1988-Republican-Candidates.jpg?fit=948%2C619&ssl=1

^ sign behind them said "American Generics"?

dems should grow some balls and run franken/weinstein

*pretends to be wound up*

thank you

I don’t think the rock should be allowed to coast to the nomination without his judgement being called into question by the press for some of these recent movies of his imo.

I have come to the conclusion that Dwayne Johnson running would be quite literally the worst possible thing that could happen

The idea that someone with zero experience in politics at any level ought to be elected president of the United States is profound foolishness. And yet it happened in the case of Trump. (btw, I count being the top commander of the U.S. armed forces as a political position, so Grant and Eisenhower get a pass on that one.)

Why would it be anyone but Warren?

because Harris has foreign policy credentials which will matter if, say, anything happens on that front in the next 3 years, or because Gillibrand is actually positioned to take advantage of a cultural moment of upheaval against an opponent that's an avatar of all she has spent her career fighting, or because damned fools are starry eyed over bernie, or because the donors really like Booker

She never seems like she is triangulating. She has a strong economic message that has been consistent throughout her time in the Senate, and she is good at articulating her outrage and disappointment at Republicans in a way that seems authentic. Her social democratic leanings come from a familar, even traditional understanding of fairness and a belief that the American system is perfectible. All of this has the potential to appeal to nearly every American.

Harris/Gillibrand - would be enthusiastic in my support of either of them
Warren - titan on consumer protections, need her profile to become more well-rounded in the next 3 years
Booker - c'mon, this guy is a pee wee football coach

Cory Booker seems like a more corrupt Adrian Fenty, which if he is would explain why he’s more successful than Fenty was.

listen i didn't say i like the guy

That was understood.

I can't think of anyone else around here who really does, either.

haha fair

xp, Fenty was middled by his commitments to fight the old corruption when his new corruption wasn’t fully capitalized yet. And he didn’t have the sense to see how badly Rhee was going to fuck him over to increase her own Q rating.

Booker has similar characteristics but he’s working a bigger tax base, can compare himself favorably to pathetic wannabe gangsters like Christie, and doesn’t have a singular union-hating class-baiting subordinate siphoning all his press whenever he pretends to give a shit about working families.

But yeah. Same same, although I’d rather have a beer with Fenty for sure.

If for no other reason than to try and get him to round three and laughing at my jokes so I can ask “in your own words, how bad did Michelle own you?” And then “bike lanes and cab meters are nice, but you knew you already had all us white folks, right?”

lol that guy talking about a 2020 Sanders run seems like the most unpleasant dude in the history of the world

Why would it be anyone but Warren?

Who knows if she'll even choose to run? Beyond that, 2020 is seven years away in political time. At this time in 2005, Obama was just the size of a small cloud on the horizon you could cover up with one hand.

damned fools are starry eyed over bernie

who would've won

make that could've and I'd agree. would've presumes too much omniscience.

xp agreed, in the past tense

harris i guess