This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2017

Darling P.T.

not that good!

(that B'way musical starred Jim Dale and a pre-Garp Glenn Close btw)

I hope the song about the beluga whales he boiled alive is catchy, at least.

remember this horror?

https://recklesseyes.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/water_for_elephants_movie_poster2.jpg

Like Water for Elephants

holy shit: WFE made $117 million.

I don't, mercifully

The TGS trailer makes it clear he gave the 'freaks' and little people their dignity.

San Diego crix trying to shake things up

Best Actor: James McAvoy, SPLIT
Runner Up: James Franco, THE DISASTER ARTIST

Best Actress: Sally Hawkins, MAUDIE
Runner Up: Sally Hawkins, THE SHAPE OF WATER

We've got a few voters on our end who are also enthusiastic about McAvoy. The studio's certainly doing a mild push.

Slant's "follies" of the year. (Like Reverse Shot, not calling them "worsts.")

https://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-20-worst-film-follies-of-2017/

here is Film Comment's list

https://www.filmcomment.com/best-of-2017/

We're to the point in the year where I can accurately predict what will appear in the top reaches of these polls but still be properly surprised by what order they come in. Wouldn't have guessed that #1.

i am going to guess before I click on it

I was wrong! Good, Jeff Wells may have a stroke.

still mystified by the Personal Shopper love.

I kind of liked Clouds of Sils Maria, what did you think of that one Dr. Morbius?

I loathed it! Except for Stewart.

also, Kaurismaki finishing ahead of The Orlando Rascals -- what the world needs now.

01. Good Time (Josh and Benny Safdie, USA, A24)
02. A Quiet Passion (Terence Davies, U.K./Belgium, Music Box Films)
03. Personal Shopper (Olivier Assayas, France, IFC Films)
04. Get Out (Jordan Peele, USA, Universal Pictures)
05. Nocturama (Bertrand Bonello, France, Grasshopper Film)
06. Ex Libris: The New York Public Library (Frederick Wiseman, USA, Zipporah Films)
07. The Death of Louis XIV (Albert Serra, France/Portugal/Spain, The Cinema Guild)
08. Faces Places (Agnès Varda and JR, France, Cohen Media Group)
09. The Lost City of Z (James Gray, USA, Amazon Studios/Bleecker Street)
10. Lady Bird (Greta Gerwig, USA, A24)
11. The Human Surge (Eduardo Williams, Argentina, Grasshopper Film)
12. The Other Side of Hope (Aki Kaurismäki, Finland, Janus Films)
13. The Florida Project (Sean Baker, USA, A24)
14. Dawson City: Frozen Time (Bill Morrison, USA, Kino Lorber)
15. Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson, USA, Focus Features)
16. On the Beach at Night Alone (Hong Sangsoo, South Korea, The Cinema Guild)
17. Wonderstruck (Todd Haynes, USA, Amazon Studios)
18. Mudbound (Dee Rees, USA, Netflix)
19. BPM (Robin Campillo, France, The Orchard)
20. The Square (Ruben Östlund, Sweden, Magnolia)

I'm legit shocked by the #1.

What was your guess, Morbs?

Another December, another Wiseman not screening till God knows when

#19! I really don't have a good sense anymore of who votes in that poll. xp

Ex Libris is screening at NYC MoMA on the 28th, c'mon up. (I missed its monthlong run here, which was shockingly short.)

I owe y'all a visit. Probably January or early Feb.

i guess the FC voters are NYC-heavy, so that helped Good Time.

Also by rough count 14/20 played one of the last two NYFFs or opened at Lincoln Center.

#11 seems to have, ahem, surged from outta nowhere.

what did y'all think of The Other Side of Hope (? I'm watching it on Thursday.

Also, fully half that list is American, which I'm surprised by at this point.

Never mind, found the Kaurismaki thread.

Missed Human Surge but it's running at a local year-wrapup series soon.

haven't seen one of these:

https://www.filmcomment.com/best-undistributed-films-of-2017/

I ... have my work cut out for me in '18.

Number 1 is indeed very good, was in competition at CPH:PIX. Have only seen a couple of the other ones.

Ex Libris is worth seeing but it's among his weaker ones tbh

http://lwlies.com/articles/best-original-film-soundtracks-2017/

i just watched Central Park and was disturbed to see Ed Koch and Cardinal O'Connor breathing again

xp

from that follies link; this nails one of my biggest issues with Three Billboards
"The script's many acid-tongued speeches pander relentlessly to the film's target audience of white liberals, allowing them to get off on the cheap thrill of hearing a well-placed slur while simultaneously giving them a chance to applaud their own sense of moral righteousness."
saw this at a packed house at BAM and can absolutely confirm this as truth. amazingly well acted but mostly empty.

I do think there's a good essay to be written about this film's place in one of 2017's predictably predominant themes: lack of accountability.

that goes double for the mostly execrable Wind River which was bad enough on more or less every level that I ended up walking out during the protracted, unnecessary and vaguely prurient rape scene. that film sucks.

there's always been good money in flattering your audience

National Film Registry Class of 2017

SCREEN ACTOR GUILD AWARDS

Supporting Female, Motion Picture
Mary J. Blige, Mudbound
Hong Chau, Downsizing
Holly Hunter, The Big Sick
Allison Janney, I, Tonya
Laurie Metcalf, Ladybird

Supporting Male, Motion Picture
Steve Carrell, Battle of the Sexes
Willem Dafoe, The Florida Project
Woody Harrelson, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri
Richard Jenkins, The Shape of Water
Sam Rockwell, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri

Leading Female, Motion Picture
Judi Dench, Victoria & Abdul
Sally Hawkins, The Shape of Water
Frances McDormand, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri
Margot Robbie, I, Tonya
Saoirse Ronan, Ladybird

Leading Male, Motion Picture
Timothee Chalamet, Call Me By Your Name
James Franco, The Disaster Artist
Daniel Kaluuya, Get Out
Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour
Denzel Washington, Roman J. Israel, Esq.

Cast
The Big Sick
Get Out
Ladybird
Mudbound
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri

"Supporting Female"

Harrelson instead of Hammer, eh?

More like Carell instead of literally any other person who's actually been discussed for the award thus far.

But, yeah, audiences at large aren't hugely into CMBYN it appears.

The Post is the more shocking exclusion, but maybe the SAG nomination body at large just hasn't seen it.

Man, poll deadlines loom and I'm struggling to think of many foreign language performances to break up the English-language monotony.

BPM's leads and then ... ?

Jean-Pierre Leaud

I'm not sure it's acting but it's a performance

Oh right! That counts. (Maybe I should say non-English and non-French?)

of course it's acting, he aint dead