Yeah they did xp man amazon suck, even the guy who played that fucker Ray is tweeting about not getting his set today lol
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
break was after 8 yes
― sciatica, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
thxIn other news I'm like 10 minutes into the 5hr documentary on the bonus disc and already this is the greatest
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
Jealous
― Moodles, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
5hr documentary on the bonus disc
ok buying this immediately was gonna wait for xmas
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
It's so good, don't wanna give anything awayBut if you're jonesing for more dl being pissy and despotic a la LYNCH1, there is some of that here
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
(Probably "despotic" only in the way a director needs to be tbf)
yes, absolutely, yes yes yes
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
chainsmoking i assume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-WW8V8nD5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxyTPpPrhE
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link
New estimated delivery date: Thursday, December 21, 2017
lol goddammit
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link
Best Buy will get it to you sooner at the same price. I canceled my Amazon order and sent them a bitchy message through customer service.
― Cow_Art, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 04:46 (six years ago) link
Question: It seems to be commonly accepted that Leland was bad enough without Bob's help but I don't remember any Twin Peaks moment that actually suggested any of his evil actions were independent of Bob. What did I miss?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
mostly in FWWM, the movie makes it pretty clear that Leland was responsible for his actions. I saw FWWM before season 2, and his epiphanic deathbed confession in the jail cell was really jarring and upsetting imo, exculpated him
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
the queasy ambiguity/fluctuation of Leland's participation/awareness level is one of the most effective things about the entire series
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
yep. and though it's considerably more complicated by fwwm, there's even internal series queasiness, e.g. how leland's constant grief dancing is actually related to bob
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
and also there's the small matter that even if you read him as completely "innocent" or helpless, nothing lessens the horror for laura
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
yeah the series and the movie do seem to differ greatly on that point. series makes it look like bob leaves him in the cell and knows that his sudden knowledge of what he has done will crush him. in the film it's clear that while he's possessed by bob he absolutely knows what's going on. the scene with the hand-washing before dinner seems to be very much leland the abusive father for instance. and the scene in laura's bed where she suddenly sees bob as leland and he says "i thought you knew". jesus! film just seems much more of a story of incestuous abuse than demonic possession
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
I wouldn't say it was clear that Bob had nothing to do with some of his FWWM bad behaviour. I was always wondering.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
yeah jim otm that dinner scene is one of the most deeply horrifying moments in the entire Twin Peaks universe
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
one of the reasons it's one of the great works of art about abuse is precisely bc bob is an effective if also ambiguous and imperfect (which is why he fascinates) metaphor for an abuser's compartmentalization of his abuse
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
leland both knowing and not knowing what he's doing is basically how 100 percent of the abusers i've known in real life have processed their own actions
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
Simon and Brad otm, the ambiguity of how these weird forces that sometimes have physical form fuck with our world is really integral to the series
― mh, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
there are entire scenes or episodes where people saying they've seen Bob or are explaining things are like trauma victims trying to claim they were abducted by aliens because they don't want to face what's actually going on
― mh, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
The murder of Teresa Banks seems much more "Leland" than "Bob" too - it doesn't seem like Bob would be too worried about being blackmailed
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
i generally agree with this but i do feel like the s2 finale and all of s3 making it clear that bob is an actual evil force and not a metaphor or psychological projection edged maybe a little too close to exculpating leland
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
The Yellow Kid- any threat to Leland is a threat to Bob surely? Killing Teresa or anyone else would be something he'd enjoy.
NA- I wouldn't like it if he was purely a metaphor.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
See I feel like they always made that clear - within the fictional world - but that the existence of a literal demon kinda exists alongside the psychological/metaphorical readings rather than negating them xp
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
I definitely don't think that the idea of leland's culpability starts with fwwm. The episode where he dies (which I like but is clumsy in a lot of ways) leans heavily toward suggesting he's unaware of the abuse/murder, but the lynch-directed episode where he kills maddy, imho, leans heavily in the other direction
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
i do feel like the s2 finale and all of s3 making it clear that bob is an actual evil force and not a metaphor or psychological projection edged maybe a little too close to exculpating leland
One thing that doesn't fully square for me is that Bob is this magnificent, concentrated evil, unleashed by an atomic bomb, and... he spends decades inside a small town lawyer who kills a couple women and molests his daughter. There's a mismatch between the magnitude of Bob's evil and the relatively pedestrian crimes he commits.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
Twin Peaks is a kind of spiritual hotspot iirc so the demonic forces don’t necessarily gather at places of purely human import, is how I read that
― sciatica, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
also Cow_Art seems like a necessary addition to the ilx David Lynch crew, welcome!
― sciatica, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
Tbrr I have trouble with the idea of seeing part 8 as a reason to be more literal and less metaphorical/psychological
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
There's a mismatch between the magnitude of Bob's evil and the relatively pedestrian crimes he commits.
I disagree - there's something very humane in equating the intimate pain Bob inflicts with the magnitude of an atom bomb.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
But then I see all of twin peaks as being fundamentally about the subjective experience of trauma. What Leland did to Laura corrupts the whole world
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
xp yes
yeah, I think that's generally the more enjoyable way to watch the show wins. But the whole season does invite you to scale up, showing that action on screen has global consequences/may even be reshaping reality as we know it, far outside of Twin Peaks. That's partially why I hate most of the Judy internet theories. There was something about the relatively confined nature of the original series/FWWM that made the story more potent. Bob as a disruptive force in the lives of a family/town is really fascinating and tragic. Bob as a global threat less so.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
there's something very humane in equating the intimate pain Bob inflicts with the magnitude of an atom bomb.
yeah definitely
I like the image of the towns they built in the Nevada and New Mexico deserts and then destroyed with nuclear testing. That historical resonance kinda underlies the metaphor for me.
― sciatica, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
I see all of twin peaks as being fundamentally about the subjective experience of trauma
This is a great prism for the whole show for sure. Something that was there from the first episode. The depiction of grief, especially Sarah Palmer's, was unflinching. So much of that first season was people crying and screaming in anguish.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
I didn't bother digging into theories post-series (nothing against them necessarily, just wanted to let it percolate) but the Judy concept, whatever it is, presented itself as cosmic in 17 but distilled down to a bad vibe at the Palmer household by the end of 18. It also seems to be connected to Sarah to some degree, playing off her awareness/complicity as depicted in fwwm and hinted at in the original series. The idea of domestic trauma bleeding out and infecting "objective" reality is p much how I instinctively read lynch
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
yesssss got my set today
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 December 2017 00:59 (six years ago) link
*shakes fist*
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 December 2017 01:02 (six years ago) link
grrr
I went to Best Buy today and they had a copy, but for $12 more than Amazon. The cheapskate in me beat the 'now now now' in me.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 7 December 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link
for some reason I didn’t think about running out to buy it and had to look at the clock to see if BB was closed
― mh, Thursday, 7 December 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
look at it this way, you pay 50-60 bucks, I paid 60-70 hours!
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 December 2017 03:05 (six years ago) link
This may be a dumb question, but I haven’t bought a DVD in years: Does the box set come with a digital version of the series? Not sure if that’s standard or not now
― Evan R, Thursday, 7 December 2017 04:06 (six years ago) link
it's not dumb. i have zero desire to own these discs myself.
― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Thursday, 7 December 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link
I still hate Wally Brando.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Thursday, 7 December 2017 04:34 (six years ago) link
I wish the ability to watch the entire series in non-streaming quality, since it's sometimes garbage, on demand. But also don't want to own more discs
we're in such a transitionary phase, apt for the series, and maybe somehow we can get it on rental vhs or a bad fifth-gen vhs dubbed copy
― mh, Thursday, 7 December 2017 04:36 (six years ago) link