Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Anyway, for some reason I misremembered it as the the first two and the last two that were united. Never mind.

3 and 4 were made available to stream the night 1 and 2 were "broadcast," then played individually on Showtime on weeks 2 and 3.

Yeah first 4 all dropped at the same time for streaming audience (ie almost everyone)

I personally found 3 the most confounding episode at the time. Dropping 4 at the same time was probably smart to indicate the rest of the series would not be quite so disorienting.

*might* not be quite so disorienting

3 was my favorite episode of the series. Wild visuals, kinetic pacing, suspenseful as hell. I remember thinking "holy shit if this show can keep up this momentum this is going to be the greatest thing I've ever watched"

Those fucks at Amazon ran out before they shipped my copy of the box set.

They're at it again

3 was amazing

My favorite moments in Lynch projects tend to be the ones that tease all the crazy imaginative directions the narrative ~could~ take. The actual payoffs, for all their merit, usually aren't half as fun as the ones I begin to imagine in my head so yeah it's hard to top all the amazing possibilities those first few episodes teases

I personally found 3 the most confounding episode at the time. Dropping 4 at the same time was probably smart to indicate the rest of the series would not be quite so disorienting.

yeah, that was the going theory at the time. not sure if it was ever confirmed by any showtime execs, but it makes sense. 3 is a contender for my favorite episode (all the stuff with the purple world was so eraserhead-y that my heart nearly exploded), but you could just imagine it alienating a third of the viewing audience even as it happened.

3 was an instant fave, my theory at the time tho was that it was 4 that would turn most ppl off, with all the weird slow comedy at the sheriff's station & casino - obv im jackpots/Brando/bunny 4lyfe over here but in terms of guessing where the switchoffs would come that would have been my bet. No idea how correct that ended up being but judging from the main complaints as the series went on it wasn't far off.

Does anyone remember when the 1-week break came btw? If it was after pt 8 then I'd say the whole broadcasting schedule could not have been more shrewd

i think it was after 8? but then i misremembered 3 and 4 airing together so who knows (they totally did though, right?)

anyway looks like i'm not getting my box today either :|

Yeah they did xp

man amazon suck, even the guy who played that fucker Ray is tweeting about not getting his set today lol

break was after 8 yes

thx

In other news I'm like 10 minutes into the 5hr documentary on the bonus disc and already this is the greatest

Jealous

5hr documentary on the bonus disc

ok buying this immediately was gonna wait for xmas

It's so good, don't wanna give anything away

But if you're jonesing for more dl being pissy and despotic a la LYNCH1, there is some of that here

(Probably "despotic" only in the way a director needs to be tbf)

yes, absolutely, yes yes yes

chainsmoking i assume

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-WW8V8nD5E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxyTPpPrhE

New estimated delivery date:
Thursday, December 21, 2017

lol goddammit

Best Buy will get it to you sooner at the same price. I canceled my Amazon order and sent them a bitchy message through customer service.

Question: It seems to be commonly accepted that Leland was bad enough without Bob's help but I don't remember any Twin Peaks moment that actually suggested any of his evil actions were independent of Bob. What did I miss?

mostly in FWWM, the movie makes it pretty clear that Leland was responsible for his actions. I saw FWWM before season 2, and his epiphanic deathbed confession in the jail cell was really jarring and upsetting imo, exculpated him

the queasy ambiguity/fluctuation of Leland's participation/awareness level is one of the most effective things about the entire series

yep. and though it's considerably more complicated by fwwm, there's even internal series queasiness, e.g. how leland's constant grief dancing is actually related to bob

and also there's the small matter that even if you read him as completely "innocent" or helpless, nothing lessens the horror for laura

yeah the series and the movie do seem to differ greatly on that point. series makes it look like bob leaves him in the cell and knows that his sudden knowledge of what he has done will crush him. in the film it's clear that while he's possessed by bob he absolutely knows what's going on. the scene with the hand-washing before dinner seems to be very much leland the abusive father for instance. and the scene in laura's bed where she suddenly sees bob as leland and he says "i thought you knew". jesus! film just seems much more of a story of incestuous abuse than demonic possession

I wouldn't say it was clear that Bob had nothing to do with some of his FWWM bad behaviour. I was always wondering.

yeah jim otm that dinner scene is one of the most deeply horrifying moments in the entire Twin Peaks universe

one of the reasons it's one of the great works of art about abuse is precisely bc bob is an effective if also ambiguous and imperfect (which is why he fascinates) metaphor for an abuser's compartmentalization of his abuse

leland both knowing and not knowing what he's doing is basically how 100 percent of the abusers i've known in real life have processed their own actions

Simon and Brad otm, the ambiguity of how these weird forces that sometimes have physical form fuck with our world is really integral to the series

there are entire scenes or episodes where people saying they've seen Bob or are explaining things are like trauma victims trying to claim they were abducted by aliens because they don't want to face what's actually going on

The murder of Teresa Banks seems much more "Leland" than "Bob" too - it doesn't seem like Bob would be too worried about being blackmailed

i generally agree with this but i do feel like the s2 finale and all of s3 making it clear that bob is an actual evil force and not a metaphor or psychological projection edged maybe a little too close to exculpating leland

The Yellow Kid- any threat to Leland is a threat to Bob surely? Killing Teresa or anyone else would be something he'd enjoy.

NA- I wouldn't like it if he was purely a metaphor.

See I feel like they always made that clear - within the fictional world - but that the existence of a literal demon kinda exists alongside the psychological/metaphorical readings rather than negating them xp

I definitely don't think that the idea of leland's culpability starts with fwwm. The episode where he dies (which I like but is clumsy in a lot of ways) leans heavily toward suggesting he's unaware of the abuse/murder, but the lynch-directed episode where he kills maddy, imho, leans heavily in the other direction

i do feel like the s2 finale and all of s3 making it clear that bob is an actual evil force and not a metaphor or psychological projection edged maybe a little too close to exculpating leland

One thing that doesn't fully square for me is that Bob is this magnificent, concentrated evil, unleashed by an atomic bomb, and... he spends decades inside a small town lawyer who kills a couple women and molests his daughter. There's a mismatch between the magnitude of Bob's evil and the relatively pedestrian crimes he commits.

Twin Peaks is a kind of spiritual hotspot iirc so the demonic forces don’t necessarily gather at places of purely human import, is how I read that

also Cow_Art seems like a necessary addition to the ilx David Lynch crew, welcome!

Tbrr I have trouble with the idea of seeing part 8 as a reason to be more literal and less metaphorical/psychological

There's a mismatch between the magnitude of Bob's evil and the relatively pedestrian crimes he commits.

I disagree - there's something very humane in equating the intimate pain Bob inflicts with the magnitude of an atom bomb.

But then I see all of twin peaks as being fundamentally about the subjective experience of trauma. What Leland did to Laura corrupts the whole world