brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

yeah i think they probably could win it on a second referendum but without turning some hearts and minds a 52-48 in the other direction would be a trainwreck

Just talked to a load of 17yos about media/politics. The future is: None of them ever bought a paper, only half on Facebook which is "for parents", Twitter is "boring", all love Snapchat (especially the Economist's page!), largely care about tuition fees & Tories hating animals.

— Jim Waterson (@jimwaterson) December 5, 2017

ok, but this is nonetheless the selling that is necessary, there isn't a magic route round the xmas-bloc turkey

agree, but it doesn't seem like something that can be done briefly or for the purpose of a referendum, even if you carried a new referendum. when people start talking about how to address this issue it reminds me of the post-mortems when england get knocked out of the world cup.

(especially the Economist's page!)

This is a trap street, yes?

agree to this yes (except i have no idea what the world cup is obv) -- i think we're in for the long hard haul either way

xp jim w = political editor at buzzfeed, in itself a "jetpack made of alien cheese" kind of a concept

Agree with that xps. It's everything and nothing in terms of reasons why.

There are too many different camps (all increasingly at odds with each other) within Leave to have to tailor an argument just for the purposes of winning a second referendum by a larger margin than 52%.

xps probably underrated how much of a driver for anti-tory votes animal rights stuff is.

it does seem like electoral reform could go a long way to provoking some meaningful change - the two parties contain multitudes of views that go too far along the political spectrum - a system which reduced their power and increased the chances of coalition, and led to more parties cropping up, would probably be good. but we've prob seen in recent years the strange suspicion of coalitions that exists in the uk and the perception that they are weak or a sign of a decadent state or whatever.

True, but also closet Tories/blueish-greens are big fans of OMG look what they’ve done to the elephants shares on social media (most of the women I know like this post little else).

I can handle the idea of a Buzzfeed political editor, it's Jim W who's the alien cheese

A political writer I follow was noting during the animal sentience nonsense that, despite being nonsense, it turned up all over their twitter feed, from people who have no other noticeable political opinions.

LocalGarda completely otm up and down that post.

this thread is quite long: wondering if a new one ("the day after the deadline" usw) makes sense?

during the election campaign, when May came out with her pro-foxhunting stance, the strength of the reaction- and more importantly the people doing the reacting, first made me suspect that something was happening here and I didn't know what it was, do I, Mr Jones

we wouldn't be in this shitheap if cameron didn't have to straddle positions so wildly opposed to each other that it caused the trousers of the country, entrusted to him as pm, to split.

xpost

who do ppl think is going to bring about this electoral reform, and how?

Labour could have done it after 2005, from a position of strength, having won a majority off 35% of the vote. But lol @ Blair or Brown giving a fuck

well yeah - another case of turkeys voting for christmas - however these turkeys are wilier.

xpost

xp I realise that is not exactly answering ur question

i'd like to add a "having gorged themselves on the organic feed of power" to my last metaphor pls

A few DUP ppl rt-ing Ruth Davidson's statement on the negotiations.

nu-thread iftyou want, inc."provocative: opening question to ignore:
the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

We had a referendum on it! Reversing two referenda would be a neat trick.

britons care about animals. only need to see the reaction to the tories don’t think animals are sentient meme to appreciate this. there was a tory media blitz the day after that all kicked off online

They care about animals, it's disabled people they hate.

A lot of leavers I know/have read online, seem to have reduced their argument to 'the fishermen!' and a vague notion of sovereignty.

so davis thinks that a non-customs-union, non-single-market "regulatory alignment" with the EU is going to let ireland swerve around the border issue? hmm

A NEW THREAD EXISTS PEOPLE

lol soz

here: the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

non-www link: the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions