At the Women's March almost a year ago, Harris was a shockingly flat public speaker. I wonder if she has improved since then? Compared to the fired up Duckworth and Gillibrand, she just wasn't that compelling.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 December 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link
Gillibrand wanted to run in 2016 but that was not going to happen with Hillary around. But she is well connected in NY and is very good at raising money.
Not really sure what the core source of love for Harris is.
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Sunday, 3 December 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
Also, the Kamala article mentionsJason Kander as a possible candidate.
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Sunday, 3 December 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
re Johnny Fever
I think I heard the same (Axelrod) interview, and it's largely responsible for my pro-Gillibrand feelings. Contrast the way she talks about this stuff - or, say, Bill Clinton on The Daily - with Kamala Harris's bland calculations and I know where I fall. Even pre-election, she was loudly advocating Sanders and Warren.
― sean gramophone, Monday, 4 December 2017 00:40 (six years ago) link
I would really prefer not to have a prosecutor as president tbh
― Simon H., Monday, 4 December 2017 00:41 (six years ago) link
(re: KH)
I’d take Harris over Booker every time, at least
― .oO (silby), Monday, 4 December 2017 00:45 (six years ago) link
My guess would be that criminal justice reform is going to be a bigger issue than it was in 2016, and whether or not that hurts or helps KH I don't know. According to that article she could run on that issue if she wanted to, and I'd guess she'd win if she managed to do so.
― Frederik B, Monday, 4 December 2017 12:02 (six years ago) link
former prosecutor is not a career path that leads one to restrict fellow prosecutors' discretion, which is what is necessary to accomplish criminal justice reform.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/are-prosecutors-the-key-to-justice-reform/483252/
― El Tomboto, Monday, 4 December 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
agreed
my current faves: Gillibrand, Duckworth, and Oregon's Junior Senator Jeff Merkley.
― sleeve, Monday, 4 December 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
"Inevitable" is an albatross as a political tag
especially 3 years out from an election
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 December 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
i really dig gillibrand.I can't remember if it was Pod Save America or Axelrod's podcast where she did it, but Gillibrand openly and convincingly apologized for a vote she once cast and that she now has a full understanding of why it was the wrong side to take on an issue (gun related legislation, iirc) and I've never heard a politician on any level in either party be so contrite and willingly admit to being wrong. That won me over on her for sure (and voting no on all of Trump's cabinet appointments for as long she did helped).― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, December 3, 2017 4:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I can't remember if it was Pod Save America or Axelrod's podcast where she did it, but Gillibrand openly and convincingly apologized for a vote she once cast and that she now has a full understanding of why it was the wrong side to take on an issue (gun related legislation, iirc) and I've never heard a politician on any level in either party be so contrite and willingly admit to being wrong. That won me over on her for sure (and voting no on all of Trump's cabinet appointments for as long she did helped).
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, December 3, 2017 4:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think it was immigration actually, unless she's done it twice, in which case all the better.
― evol j, Monday, 4 December 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
The Secret to Understanding Kamala Harris
― Alan Watts (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
nothing to add here pic.twitter.com/ARYNwCaqA3— Shuja Haider (@shujaxhaider) January 12, 2018
― Simon H., Friday, 12 January 2018 13:52 (six years ago) link
Warren says she's not running.
http://www.newser.com/story/256430/warren-not-running-for-president-but-hedges-on-one-thing.html
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 March 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
Warren is pretty clear about it every time she gets asked. I don't know why it makes news sometimes and doesn't at others.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 March 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
I have no idea whether she will in fact run, but anytime anyone says "I'm not running" without further specification, they should be understood to be referring only to the present moment and not any future moment.
― Moo Vaughn, Sunday, 11 March 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
Warren will not run.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link
but who will unite the dems, whoooooooo
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
if Gillibrand sticks to eschewing corporate PAC donations and will unambiguously argue for single payer i think she'd probably do ok at bridging the Bernie wing and the With Her Still wing
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Gillibrand is carefully constructing her 2020 candidacy while everyone else is just looking at their month-at-a-glance calendars.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
Not if you’re watching Senate hearings but OK
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
TOMBOT WHO WILL UNITE THE DEMZ
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
When was the last time anybody scored a soundbyte in a senate hearing that paid off big dividends in a presidential campaign?
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
subquestion: does it matter whether or not a presidential candidate knows anything about policy
― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 March 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
which is more important: how much a candidate knows about, i don't know, anything at all, or how much time they've spent on tv
i actually think that overall, even in the post-trump era, knowing anything about anything is more important, but it's not a slam dunk case
― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 March 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
boy, all those undecided voters who are paying close attention to what potential candidates are doing 24 months before the primaries are going to flock to gillibrand, i tell you! flock!
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 12 March 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
This far out, the most a candidate can do is talk to insiders, by which I mean elected politicians, county-level party chairs, donors, and known activists (paid or unpaid), and try to drum up early support, whether it is a wholehearted commitment or a cautiously provisional one. The voters have no one on their radars, yet.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 12 March 2018 04:50 (six years ago) link
Nobody is going to unite the demz
― El Tomboto, Monday, 12 March 2018 04:56 (six years ago) link
Whichever poor bastard has to pretend to be the DSA “leader” endorsing the 2020 candidate at the convention, well, they will have taken the job, such as it will be.The verb phrasing will be easier at that point though
― El Tomboto, Monday, 12 March 2018 04:59 (six years ago) link
The Democrats looked kind of disunited in 2006, too. Right up until they didn't.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 12 March 2018 05:00 (six years ago) link
so youre saying obama should run again
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Monday, 12 March 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
danny de vito is going to unite the demz
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 March 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link
demz what?
― pplains, Monday, 12 March 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
demz nutz
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 March 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
ty
― pplains, Monday, 12 March 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
they seem to be doing good with Generic Democrat vs. Trump in all those polls. they just need someone with no personal opinions, no past history, no way to speak to the public, no physical body, etc.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link
an...al gore rhythm...if you will
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
well done
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
haha
― Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
holy shit
― Simon H., Monday, 12 March 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
"if Gillibrand sticks to eschewing corporate PAC donations and will unambiguously argue for single payer i think she'd probably do ok at bridging the Bernie wing and the With Her Still wing"
there's already a contingent that hates her for going after Franken (a contingent that has chalked the entire franken thing up to russian interference) and a good portion of those people seem to be bernie people, so I don't know.
― akm, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
really? i thought they were mostly hillary ppl --- most of the bernie-lovin lefties i follow on twitter seem pretty nonplussed by anything to do with "russian interference"
the narrative that russia did everything bad seems to have been most enthusiastically embraced by centrists unwilling to confront the fact that the dems made some pretty dumb decisions in the election, but maybe i'm off base here idk
― gbx, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:15 (six years ago) link
if you mean they're perplexed why anyone would go that off the deep end into russian interference, yeah
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
sorry i shouldn't be snotty about the actual meaning of 'nonplussed.' your post is otm, not off base at all
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:41 (six years ago) link
Ordinarily the specter of Russian interference, apart from actual manipulation of the vote totals, would seem like a fairly small splash in a very big pond, but there are plenty of reasons why this does not apply to 2016, an election where the distortions created by the electoral college allowed a minority of voters (~3 million fewer votes) to elect the president, and the three most decisive states were decided by extremely thin margins. Not to mention that the candidate who benefitted from these anomalous events to become POTUS is a racist, semi-literate narcissist with proto-fascist leanings.
Under the circumstances, if Russia intervened sufficiently to help create this result, the majority, who voted against it, should be furious.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 04:02 (six years ago) link
Someone said something about an exhaustive list? I won't go that far, but I'll list about two dozen of the likeliest Democratic candidates (at least 1/3 of whom likely won't end up running), and some of the likelier also-runs:
Joe BidenCory BookerSherrod BrownSteve BullockAndrew CuomoJohn DelaneyEric GarcettiKirsten GillibrandLuis GutierrezKamala HarrisJohn HickenlooperEric Holder (or Sally Yates?)Jay InsleeVan Jones (as Oprah's campaign manager?)Amy KlobucharMitch LandrieuTerry McAuliffeJeff Merkley Martin O'MalleyDeval PatrickTim RyanBernie SandersTom SteyerElizabeth Warren
Might run to make Joe Biden look youthful?: Jerry BrownMight run to constantly poke Andrew Cuomo?: Bill de BlasioMight run to No Elizabeth Warren?: Gina RaimondoMight run for Vice President/as surrogate?: Cheri Bustos, Julian Castro, Jason Kander, Patrick Kennedy, Seth Moulton, Chris Murphy, Eric SwalwellMight run to support Putin/Trump?: Tulsi Gabbard, Dennis Kucinich
Possible Republican challengers if Trump remains in office: Mark Cuban, Jeff Flake, John Kasich, Mitt Romney
Possible Republican candidates if Trump is removed from office: Steve Bannon, Marsha Blackburn, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, John Kasich, Nikki Haley, Mark Meadows, Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Ben Sasse, Rick Scott, Scott Walker
Possible Independent tickets if Trump is the nominee and Dems nominate a Sanders-type figure: Michael Bloomberg/Mike Mullen, John Kasich/John Hickenlooper, Howard Schultz/Mark Cuban or vice versa
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SdjRSqqHE
― had (crüt), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
I think Biden wants to run and today is more likely than not to do so, but not sure he'll be better than 50-50 next year. I think a handful of Senators may run, but that Klobuchar won't, that probably only one (at best) of Brown/Merkley(/Ryan) will, and have my doubts about both Booker and Harris, though at this point I expect both Sanders and Warren, even if less sure as to the latter. The Governors are harder to read at this stage, by design, but I expect at least one each from East and West, and maybe two. Garcetti appears to be running, and not sure he'll be the only big- (or smaller-)city mayor, but he's the only one I'd put above 50%. The out-of-offices I'm pretty skeptical of, though Patrick, e.g., may be likelier if Biden begs off. What Steyer's up to, I have no idea. I'll guess maybe 12-15 contenders.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
i assume de blasio will be running. he has enough national recognition and is very tall, so he would seem likely to attract enough support to be considered a Serious Candidate, at least at the beginning.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
when will Obama finally end the Korean War
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
seem to remember obama having a democratic majority in the legislature for 2 years
yeah, and they fought him over it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:34 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
his administration also fought against transferring prisoners who had been cleared by the periodic review board despite that very transferring being their stated aim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
but yeah, it's not fair to call something a broken promise when it would have cost political capital to get it done
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Obama was against the individual mandate
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
I don't think it was a question of political capital as much as Obama didn't have leverage over the hawks in his party who wanted to block him over it, and had the authority to do so. The president is not an autocrat.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
and I thought the transfer thing was because the Senators of the states they were gonna get transferred to objected and blocked them
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius) at 11:07 30 Jan 19just deliverin' some Realism milkshakes today2 Morbz 1 Cup
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
gross
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
sorry shakes Puritanism is alive and well
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:14 (five years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/01/why-obama-has-failed-to-close-guantanamo
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link
multiple "viral" 80s Bernie vids making the rounds lately but none seem particularly damning (or interesting)
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
where someone did the dramatic heel turn and reversed a stance upon getting safely elected?
this happens all the time
There's a good case to be made that Trump made half a dozen outrageous promises while campaigning, such as 'every one will have great medical insurance and it will be cheaper, too', then transparently did the opposite, but he was transparently conning people in a way rarely seen before.
In general, presidents reverse themselves far less often than Congressional reps, who arrive in Congress and discover they have almost no power as individuals and they need to compromise their positions to fall in line with their party or to horse trade their vote. By contrast, the president has the power to do more things by fiat and doesn't need to heel turn to fall in line.
I'm sure Jim in vancouver sees it more in Canadian politics than we do in the USA, because parliamentary politics are differently structured than here.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
This @PeterBeinart piece gets to something that has always bugged me: She was seen as a lackluster campaigner until she beat Scott Brown, then a dynamic campaigner when she didn't challenge Hillary, and now a "school marm" campaigner because uh reasons https://t.co/qmh9YRNbxf— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019
My hot take on Warren is that she indeed damaged herself (years ago) with the Indian heritage claim, and that this has hurt her in polling, but that polling is being mis-read by people assume she's not a good campaigner. She is *very* good on the stump.— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
why bump this thread and not the other one
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
it all goes to the same place in the end
― j., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
Forgive me
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
Current List:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/politics/2020-democrats-running-for-president/index.html
Yes. Still 19 candidates.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link
And also for all of my degenerate friends:https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures
although I like this, because it's graphicalhttps://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/democratic-party-presidential-nominee-odds/
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
Didn't realize Beto had so much money.
― nickn, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:25 (four years ago) link