The female characters in this were cardboard af. And the entire holographic girlfriend thing didn't work as far as I was concerned.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 27 November 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
strike *female* in my last post and it's probably closer to the truth.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
Trying to remember, was Robin Wright the only non-robot (that we know of) woman in this movie?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 November 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
i think that's right luv wasn't cardboard! or at least she was the sort of cardboard that gives you the worst papercut of all time
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
on imdb i think they said there are only three characters who are not replicants (not counting the question mark of deckard) - robin wright, edward james olmos, and ... someone else i'm forgetting
― na (NA), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
i guess jared leto
― na (NA), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
i saw this in the theatre in 3d and it looked and sounded very good but it was just a load of blah. really washed over me.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
Does Deckard's daughter count as a non-replicant? She wasn't manufactured.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 27 November 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
yeah but Leto has some kind of trans-human brain stem implant
― it me, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
I'm sure he really does, and that it's long since on the fritz.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link
I finally got around to seeing this on two nights ago. Visually lovely, if sparse - the original had a claustrophobia that's absent here. Loved the nods to industrial landscape photographer Edward Burtynsky. The screenplay has issues, trimming would have improved matters. Not so sure its misogynist (there are impactful female characters with their own motivations), but it does cater to hetmale eyes.
Mostly just came here to post this promotional ephemera, which offer post BR/pre BR 2049 vignettes, the first in very Ghost in the Shell anime style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DEPwVo8xZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsS3nhRRzQ
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9Os8cP_gg
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 00:15 (six years ago) link
some discussion on those upthread
― mh, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link
the whole movie shoulda been about bautista bot.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 00:54 (six years ago) link
i actually loved this. i got complaints but they’re all minor
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link
Yeah same. I want the art book.
― The Spilling of a Sacred Beer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 02:35 (six years ago) link
I'm amazed I'm not seeing more writing about the backward sexual politics of this thing, despite the foreseeable "child" countertwist.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:11 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Morbs, it's out there, if not via the highest-profile outlets.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 02:46 (six years ago) link
qualms were essentially:
- filters filters filters. i feel like the first one had way more variety of color- the final action setpiece was exciting and all but everything just felt a little bit off. *harrison ford struggles to get out of handcuffs for ten minutes*- the dialogue wasn't bad generally but i feel like robin wright especially had to struggle through some clunkers- narrative is tied up a little too neatly for my taste
however:- jared leto wasn't so bad after all imo, the labored delivery worked for me. i guess it helped, as other people of mentioned, that he's only in this movie for ten minutes- ford was really, really excellent- beautiful shots, beautiful scenery, all of which take 1000 years to get through = my kind of movie
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 04:38 (six years ago) link
For those who might not be familiar with Burtynsky (visually quoted in the San Diego junkyard/orphanage scenes):
http://artsintherightplace.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/tpg-7-eb.jpg
I wouldn't mind an entire movie set in these sort of spaces. Alas BR 2049 had an aesthetic that worked in the landscapes, but was just too sparse and uninhabited in many of the interiors.
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 05:07 (six years ago) link
mark s mentioned him upthread iirc (or maybe i am just remembering our chat after seeing it!)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 08:47 (six years ago) link
this is the best thing i’ve read about the movie so far http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/10/14/the-poetry-of-blade-runner-2049
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
agree with brad (got to read that article)
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link
https://itself.blog/2017/12/12/2019-the-voight-kampff-test/
― j., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 02:05 (six years ago) link
A still of Beijing's Pangu 7 Star Hotel enshrouded in smog, 2013. Photo by Zuma Press: pic.twitter.com/HC5siGdAmR— Ryan Stewart (@crsryan) October 17, 2014
― mark s, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
nice
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 31 December 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
saw this last night, ended up kinda loving it to my surprise
the dialogue often isn't great but it's utterly beautiful to look at and in its themes and atmosphere it felt really properly philip k dick in a way that i don't think anything other than a scanner darkly has onscreen
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 31 December 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
Yes after being on a pkd binge last year I too thought this was more akin to his style than anything I've really seen on film.
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Monday, 1 January 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
Oh boy!
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/blade-runner/news/a846834/ridley-scott-has-plans-another-blade-runner-sequel/
(This after he complained in another interview that 2049 was too long...which I agree with.)
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
dude can’t make anything that’s a) under 2 hrs long or b) doesnt require a 3hr directors cut rerelease to “explain” it original intent so idk maaaaaybe pot calling the kettle black
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
I hope it all just collapses into a full Alien/Blade Runner crossover and Michael Fassbender patiently explains to Jared Leto that he will do the fingering.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
Slash Runner 2286
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
i hope it takes more of a “mr hollands opus” approach complete with a full orchestra of recorders
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
god, still haven't watched this. just never got around to it in theaters, and the past few weeks have been feeling hesitant about it due to length and people being kind of 'meh' on it. maybe bite the bullet tomorrow night.
― akm, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
it comes with the bizarro gazzara guarantee!
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
It's long, and every scene struggles to know when to end, but it's kinda beautiful and dreamy too.
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, January 7, 2018 5:08 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, January 7, 2018 5:53 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ya in light of his recent complaints about indie darlings getting Star Wars budgets this comes off like a hilarious ego trip
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
akm please to listen on headphones or a system turned up loud
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
imo whatever chemistry ridley had was not related to the things he thinks were the prime ingredients
― mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 02:37 (six years ago) link
2049 was good and I'm glad I checked it in the theaters. Soundtrack was excellent, best thing I've ever heard from Zimmer. I think at home the length will not be an issue.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
"time… to die"
https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc9jm5TpB81qdhps7o6_r1_250.gif
― mark s, Monday, 8 January 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
smash that motherfuckin flag post button fam
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
got the impression a lot of the soundtrack was Benjamin Wallfisch using Zimmer's instrument collection, but I'm sure it's been written up
― mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
I didn't look that closely into it- I'm sure you're right. It's a bit of faint praise saying it's the best Zimmer's done but certainly the best thing I can recall his name being on... I know they used the Yamaha CS-70 a bunch. They probably should have given Vangelis a credit line while they were at it.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
I was thinking they used the original, but apparently "Tears in the Rain" was a cover so there is a Vangelis songwriting credit on one song, at least.
― mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
yeah the ‘tears in the rain’ melody shows up in the final scene with ryan gosling on the stairs in the snowi appreciated the restraint in the vangelis callbacks, made its eventual return that much more effective
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
it really felt like an extrapolation of modern soundtrack themes into Vangelis moods, or possibly vice versa, enough that the inclusion of 'Tears' felt natural
― mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
the most effective moment was the start of the end credit roll
wtf you acolytes smokin'
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
can-d iirc
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
Don't think this has been posted and it's fantastic: https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/blade-runner-2049-behind-the-scenes-michael-green-journal/entertainment
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
some deets on the score
http://www.factmag.com/2017/10/20/hans-zimmer-wallfisch-blade-runner-2049-interview/
For Zimmer and Wallfisch, composing in reverence to Vangelis was never a question; Zimmer even considered bringing Vangelis in on the project. Hints of the original score are most present on cues like ‘Mesa’ and ‘Joi’, but a hardware choice – the use of a Yamaha CS-80 – was more influential than his actual sounds. The CS-80, a temperamental 200 lbs. analog synth put on the market in 1976, was one of the key pieces of equipment Vangelis used in constructing the score for the original Blade Runner, as well as for Chariots of Fire. Zimmer describes it is as “the most over-designed, complicated, and unwieldy” piece of hardware. “One of its famous design faults is that if you plug the pedal in the wrong way, it will start catching fire and burst into flames,” Zimmer says. “The magic of it is, and what Vangelis embraced so brilliantly, is that it’s a real musical instrument. It responds to your touch, it translates your soul and your musicality the way a musical instrument is supposed to.”“It’s so the opposite of how we make music in the modern world with a mouse on a screen,” Zimmer continues. “You always have to break your musical thought because your eye has to go and find the cursor as you move the mouse. You’re going right brain, left brain, as opposed to getting the old beast out.”“We tried to create the intention of a more contemporary sound using 40-year-old technology,” Wallfisch says. “It’s a lot harder but the result has soul.”“It’s got a little dirt under the fingernails,” Zimmer adds.The CS-80 was part of a coterie of synths. They also used the u-he “wireless” modular plugin Zebra, as well as the company’s Diva softsynth, which was designed by Urs Heckmann based on Zimmer’s favorite Minimoog; Wallfisch was able to bring out a DSI Prophet-12 he hadn’t yet had the opportunity to use; a SoundToys Crystallizer granular synth altered compositions and then pieces were put through tape delays and covered in reverb before being processed again with the Crystallizer. “One of the things we talked about was the idea of ‘more human than human,’” Wallfisch says. “When you’re creating, you play a chord, and then all these machines take care of this extraordinary, strange, replicant-style advancement of something acoustic.”
“It’s so the opposite of how we make music in the modern world with a mouse on a screen,” Zimmer continues. “You always have to break your musical thought because your eye has to go and find the cursor as you move the mouse. You’re going right brain, left brain, as opposed to getting the old beast out.”
“We tried to create the intention of a more contemporary sound using 40-year-old technology,” Wallfisch says. “It’s a lot harder but the result has soul.”
“It’s got a little dirt under the fingernails,” Zimmer adds.
The CS-80 was part of a coterie of synths. They also used the u-he “wireless” modular plugin Zebra, as well as the company’s Diva softsynth, which was designed by Urs Heckmann based on Zimmer’s favorite Minimoog; Wallfisch was able to bring out a DSI Prophet-12 he hadn’t yet had the opportunity to use; a SoundToys Crystallizer granular synth altered compositions and then pieces were put through tape delays and covered in reverb before being processed again with the Crystallizer. “One of the things we talked about was the idea of ‘more human than human,’” Wallfisch says. “When you’re creating, you play a chord, and then all these machines take care of this extraordinary, strange, replicant-style advancement of something acoustic.”
― Number None, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link