Love Will POLL Us Apart – Joy Division – New Order Solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – Artist Poll #37 A New Order supplement poll (Voting is open until Friday, Dec. 8, 2017)

The problem with doing the JD work is that it's small, and there are about a dozen songs that tower above everything, so it's just a question of the order. I would like to make a case for 2, perhaps not usually put in that canon. First is Heart and Soul, that fabulous womb-like thing. Existence; what does it matter? It still sounds like the future to me. Then there's Warsaw, the best example of Curtis' early, angrier voice, barking out concentration camp numbers or something, and some compelling guitar slashing.

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Taking a moment to point out how much more awesome the versions of songs from Joy Division's second Peel session are than the Hannett-produced versions. The album versions of "Colony," "24 Hours" and "Sound of Music" just don't compare.

I was thinking of some of the versions on Les Bains Douches too, These Days in particular

Happy belated Thanksgiving you yanks, meanwhile there is a new poll.

it's nice a gloomy out today, so today is a good day for Substance Joy Division.

Yes, you can include productions credits

Good thing I bought this a few months ago!

https://www.discogs.com/Various-New-Order-Presents-Be-Music/release/9769262

I'm starting to get worried about this poll. I thought a Joy Division poll would be a good idea but it's not looking that way. I don't mind no chatter on this thread but I'm not getting the emails either. Can people let me know if they plan on voting in this? I know the nature of these things is deadline ballots and that's fine, I just need you know if this should continue?

A JD poll is fine but the thread title and description threw people off maybe? I know it left me confused.

i am going to vote but there are a couple of days left, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjfBLcp0Fhw

Def voting on all three parts, but yes, probably on the 8th

The poll concept was confusing and lumping in Joy Division with Marcel King, as good as that MK song is, is a bit of a mess. I understand they're two separate ballots, but I found it odd. I haven't voted yet, and New Order is my favorite band in the world. I obsessively collect the works of Sumner, Hook, Morris, Curtis, Gilbert, either as songwriters or producers, so this poll should be the ultimate for me, but having all of it together has tempered my excitement and delayed my response. The other real issue is, the top 10 side project tracks are basically the first Electronic album, and maybe a single from one of the other Electronic albums. If Pineapple Face, Selfish, or What Do you Want From Me make the top 10, i'll be shocked, and those are easily the best songs from the non-Bernard side projects. Also, opening the 2nd poll up to their productions is wrong to me. Elephant Stone and Looking From A Hilltop have no business competing with Getting Away With It and Disappointed. Love both Elephant Stone and LFAH, but I don't think they should be considered with songs where Hook, Morris, Sumner, Gilbert contribute a performance (rockist scum!). Performance on other peoples tracks makes sense, but strictly production contributions is stretching it a bit, imo. It's not my poll though, it's your poll, but if you're wondering why someone who's favorite band in the world is New Order / Joy Division, has not responded, that's my reasoning.

A JD poll is fine but the thread title and description threw people off maybe? I know it left me confused.

it probably did. i do consider this the Joy Division poll but because of the limited catalog i needed to add more to it.

i am going to vote but there are a couple of days left, no?

December 8, 2017. i took PTO to do this poll so i hope for a good turn out.

to answer brotherlovesdub:

the reason why i added production is because of the four ballots i have received, most only have three to five tracks in Part 2 of this ballot. if opening up a bit to get to the max 10 works then i'm all for it. i really didn't want to put in restrictions on this poll as it backfired on me with my Talking Heads poll but...

let's not vote for production credits, lets just have stuff that any New Order member has actually appears on.

thanks a lot brotherlovesdub, you put this poll in line and it will be better off for it.

i totally forgot about "Elephant Stone" because yes that is not fair and if included it would have to be my number 1 and that doesn't make any sense.

A JD poll is fine but the thread title and description threw people off maybe? I know it left me confused.

I didn't even open the thread until now because I thought this was a poll for solo or side projects of New Order members, especially Electronic. Joy Division was my favourite band at one time but I don't care for New Order or any subsequent projects. If I'm understanding how these three ballots are connected, it's based on the principle that New Order is the core (the heart music) and Joy Division, Revenge, Electronic, Monaco, etc. are all New Order-adjacent projects, which are all being polled at once now, since New Order has already had a poll? I'm still confused about what this means: "Ballot Part Number One (mandatory or Part Two)"

sorry everyone

Part 1: Joy Division

Part 2: Anything that a member of New Order has done but not inducing anything from New Order. This is for anything that Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris or Gillian Gilbert has been involved in outside New Order and Joy Division.

Part 3: Ranking albums, including New Order example:

1. Technique
2. Unknown Pleasures
3. Electronic
4. Substance (Joy Division)...

so this is a JOY DIVISION poll with some New Order stuff thrown in because JD catalog is so small.

does this help?

Yes, that seems clearer. Sorry if I was drunkenly snarky. Does this mean that I can submit a ballot for only Part 1 if Parts 2 and 3 are not my cup of tea?

the reason i said mandatory or Part 2 is because some people will just want to vote for Joy Division but others only care about Part 2 or basically the Electronic stuff, so they can submit a ballot and not include a Joy Division ballot.

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yes, Part 1 or only Joy Division works

also only Part 2 works with only related projects works too.

and if people only want to rank all albums including New Order then only Part 3 ballots will also be accepted even if i didn't include that in the original post.

I'll be submitting a ballot for parts 1 & 3

If I'm understanding how these three ballots are connected, it's based on the principle that New Order is the core (the heart music) and Joy Division, Revenge, Electronic, Monaco, etc. are all New Order-adjacent projects, which are all being polled at once now, since New Order has already had a poll?

100% correct

I'll be voting in the Joy Division part when I find some time to put my ballot together.

I will vote in this. New Order have done great production work outside of New Order, but disallowing production credits makes the poll a lot simpler and cleaner.

"What Do You Want From Me" and a couple of Electronic songs could break into my top 20 JD songs.

glad to see people are up for this poll, i was beginning to wonder.

WTF is this and why hasn't anyone pointed it out yet?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=japVdQlB5wE&t=1103s

well that didn't work:

https://youtu.be/japVdQlB5wE

one more time maybe?

https://youtube/japVdQlB5wE

anyways the middle link does work, it's the Joy Division movie called Control but apparently i'm new to the internet.

or so it seems...

just now saw this poll. i'm down.

Bee OK you didn't know about the movie? The actor who played Ian Curtis was incredible.

i didn't as it was all news to me. didn't get a chance to watch yet however.

I will try and vote in this, but I do have a busy week.

Don't know enough JD to vote in part 1, but should I vote in part 2? I haven't heard anything outside of the three Electronic albums and "What Do You Want From Me?", but I also suspect that that encompasses the best ten songs

Last few days to vote

i've been revisiting the joy division discography for this and it's been a blast ("blast" meaning that i'm having fun and that the experience of revisiting closer has been a "blast" like the blast of air from the mouth of a tomb). surprisingly difficult to reduce it to a top ten, i keep shifting songs around

It is physically impossible for me to re-listen to "Decades."

There's absolutely nothing unusual about having a blast while listening to Joy Division - 'Transmission', 'Heart and Soul', 'Isolation', 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', 'Disorder' ... all are booty-shakingly danceable.

The 12'' mix (extended version) of "Getting Away With It" is great! First time I recognized Nile Rodgers' influence on Johnny Marr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1_jWXQLdo

listening through the Electronic discography, Raise the Pressure is decent, definitely better than Republic (ignoring Regret) though a step down from the Electronic debut. Twisted Tenderness though is really not very good, it's bloated and is a direct predecessor to the rock-focus of Get Ready.

i kind of doubt "i remember nothing" will do well anyway, but how may other people can't hear it now without immediately thinking of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPIvoJkmGs

This has been a strange poll. First day I got four ballots and finally, last night, I started getting more. That was a two week gap but my fault as I don't like to keep the voting period open for to long. This one I did want to open before Thanksgiving, so it was opened up a week earlier than normal.

December 5th, a few more days...

I was wondering if someone can help me out with images for this poll? This is not going to be a huge countdown, maybe 20 slots per side. Email the above box if interested and thanks.

i'm a bit worried about lost ballots after what ufo said, so if you did not get a confirmation email, please send again.

ONLY A FEW HOURS LEFT TO VOTE

Sent!

POLL Will Tear Us Apart – ILM Artist Poll #86 - JOY DIVISION – New Order solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – a NEW ORDER (#37) supplement poll --- Results Thread