yeaahhhh i mean you’re not wrong, but it’s also pretty corny.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 November 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
It is, but that show does a great job of communicating what you need hardass bureaucrats for (tactics, getting things done) and what their limitations are (strategy, getting the right things done). Mindhunter is the better show in every other respect.
― Wes Brodicus, Sunday, 26 November 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
Surprised veggrrl has not commented on the fact that the writer of the show, who grew up in Australia (Adelaide), named his main character 'Holden Ford'.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 27 November 2017 01:13 (six years ago) link
oh i made note of this on FB to my aussie friends, it seriously took me out of the first episodeit’s like naming your kid Coke PepsiPICK A SIDE
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
maybe the writer really likes Hitchhiker’s Guide
― mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:23 (six years ago) link
https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/mindhunter-s1-ep3-02.gif?w=618&h=278
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
I keep forgetting to ask this! Does Hannah Gross (who plays Holden's gf Debbie) remind anyone of another actor? She does, to me, so very much! Is it Darlene from Roseanne (Sarah Gilbert)? Something in the mannerisms or facial expression or vocal tics or accent idk?
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 4 December 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
not sure, but I only recently found out she's the daughter of paul gross and martha burns
― Simon H., Monday, 4 December 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
She reminds me of Maggie Siff (from mad men and sons of anarchy) and Julianna Margulies.
― omar little, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1111968/?ref_=tt_cl_t1 was who she reminded me of, although it took me a while to place it
― mh, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
that is, Alexa Davalos who plays a lead role on amazon's Man in the High Castle show
― mh, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
Yep
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
she kinda reminds me of daria
― Dic Space has been contacted for comment. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 December 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
Spotted Tench dude as a two-bit villain foiled by Batman in Justice League.
― Moodles, Monday, 4 December 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
She reminds me of Debra in Dexter but that might be the hair and the name
― kinder, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link
yeah she def reminds me of Julia in Man in High Castle
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 December 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
I kept thinking “is that the same... wait, no. maybe?”
― mh, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:50 (six years ago) link
Love this show
Posts at the top of the thread about Debbie really wide of the mark (not sure if someone addressed this yet as I’m catching up on the thread but the connection between attitudes toward women of serial killers and non killlers is well illustrated ... and surely fincher, the director of “gone girl,” would be aware of the “cool girl” archetype? Lol)
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
Have to say, ep 8 is really weak with the tickling bs as is 9 with needless relationship drama. Netflix : just make the season 8 eps instead of 10 if you’ve run out of pertinent plot points.
― calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 00:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink
its not 'needless' the relationship drama is very much essential imo, though they haven't fully made the connection it creates a counterpoint to the continuum of male sexual violence imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 03:02 (six years ago) link
i like the Debbie character, i agree on some of the criticisms of her character being wide of the mark. i actually love their first meeting a lot, i like the whole R-rated Bogie/Bacall banter in the bar.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
i think she works as a way of underlining the way his work is affecting his personality, through his changes in behaviour towards her over timei mean by the time they break up, even the way he looks at her let alone speaks to her, it’s like he’s gone dead inside, it’s so eerie
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
I think, like a lot of the shifts in relationships/behaviours throughout, it's handled pretty clumsily and in a this-needs-to-happen-now kind of way
But it was a lovely thing at the start
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
yes plus i think his treatment of her is in line with his entire M.O. of being right the whole time and being caught up in his own analytical head.
i don't find her especially unrealistic tbh, not any moreso than anyone else on the show.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
i know there’s a better way to put it but it’s like she’s the canary in the coalmine to know that he’s lost himself in his job
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
I think it works on the obvious level of him not spending as much time on his relationship as he does his work, but it’s also about how the work has made clear how complicated his relationship w her is; I think, he’s recognizing how much of the shit he’s dealing w at work is a logical extension of the beliefs of men generally in their relationships w women
maybe that’s not the intent but imo it’s the effect, and it’s what makes this about everything & not just some niche criminal interest
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
i think her comment to Wendy that Holden isn't intimidated by being around smarter women and Wendy's reply that "men say that but rarely mean it" is an important moment and not a throwaway, and i think Debbie's response to *that* saying "He really does mean it" is misleading in the larger sense of the show, because Wendy's reply is essential to Holden and his relationship w/Debbie.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
also Holden's relationship w/Wendy herself too.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
btw, Holt McCallany in Creepshow 2
https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdvncdJzeO1qedb29o1_500.gif
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
oh my god that rules
― Simon H., Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
:D
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
I watched it a third time! I had something interesting to say about something but I forget what it was. The less interesting thing is how good the Speck scene was. A terrifying dude, and the entire rhythm and editing of that conversation combined with his manner of speaking was master class.
― omar little, Saturday, 23 December 2017 03:49 (six years ago) link
totally agree
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 December 2017 04:09 (six years ago) link
Real Crime Profile podcast (hosted by former FBI profiler & a former Scotland Yard criminal behavioural analyst) has a new Mindhunter episode- great breakdown & insight real life aspects of the show
https://wondery.com/wondery/shows/realcrimeprofile/
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
I found out a few years ago that Holt McCallany's mother was Julie Wilson!!!
Anyway, I just started watching this.
― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
Ok, dying that whoever painted Wendy's new apartment was obviously inspired by the Caldor logo.
― tokyo rosemary, Friday, 5 January 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
Real Crime Profile podcast (hosted by former FBI profiler & a former Scotland Yard criminal behavioural analyst) has a new Mindhunter episode- great breakdown & insight real life aspects of the showhttps://wondery.com/wondery/shows/realcrimeprofile/― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:08 AM (one week ago)
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:08 AM (one week ago)
this is great so far - listening to the second episode now. is Criminal Minds worth watching?
― Mordy, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link
the first 2 seasons with Mandy Patinkin were great ... Joe Mantegna joined s3 & there was quite a drop off dramatically for me personally. But it was still ok for a while
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
"great" is a hell of a stretch
― Simon H., Friday, 12 January 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
dude it’s an opinion i’m not speaking for society or all tv viewers everywherei really loved the first 2 seasons and *i* thought they were grear
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
great
it’s still inherently a network primetime drama so you kinda have to be ok with that to start with.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:55 (six years ago) link
even entertaining might be enough tbph and I am fond of patinkin
― Mordy, Friday, 12 January 2018 02:55 (six years ago) link
and greg from dharma & greg is in it also xander from buffy shows up later onlotta good characters
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
PROCEDURE!!!!!!!!
― j., Wednesday, 21 February 2018 05:32 (six years ago) link
also i am a fool for police procedurals, certainly including network shows, but criminal minds was not actually watchable
which puts it in a class with csi miami
― j., Wednesday, 21 February 2018 05:33 (six years ago) link
kemper
i know someone who talks just like this actor's performance, i'll have to not think about it the next time i see him
― j., Wednesday, 21 February 2018 05:40 (six years ago) link
just finished this, liked it a lot overall. there is so much sensationalized serial killer drama inundating the media that it was somewhat refreshing to see the characters in the show unfamiliar with and horrified by the entire concept. i think the show made a good point about just how numb our society has grown to violence. holden's unflappable demeanor and his willingness to delve into the killer's mind is something that we expect from a cop show, but it was a nice touch to see holden's colleagues' disgust at how easily it came to him. i've seen a lot of complaining about the finale around the interwebs, but really it just felt to me like another episode of the show? anyway, i'm looking forward to season 2, where hopefully they'll do a little bit more mindhunting, instead of merely mindvestigating.
― stormzy daniels (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
Debbie's jumpsuit in the first episode is better than almost the entire middle of this series.
― Yerac, Thursday, 29 March 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link
halfway in I will say Holt McCallany as Fred Ward is A+― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.)
Through four episodes--liking it fine, not Zodiac-level yet. I'm glad I can stop obsessing over who Holt McCallany reminds me of, though. Evidently I had completely forgotten what "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" sounds like; "That's great," I thought, before having to look up what it was.
― clemenza, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:42 (six years ago) link
(I think he's like a cross between Ward and J.T. Walsh.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:49 (six years ago) link