Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Very unoffocial and very personal. Who is Dave? Who are Supp0rters D1r3ct? Can we plz google proof pls and Roman Abram0v1ch genuinely scare me.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry Dave!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Everton just can't stop winning.

Liverpool are back.

the bellefox, Monday, 13 September 2004 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

back of the queue?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 13 September 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

third!

koogs (koogs), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:26 (nineteen years ago) link

This is a bit off

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N146075040919-1115.htm

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Stuart Hall's 'bullfighting' interview of Rafael Benitez on 5 Live was excruciatingly bad. He wanted to show off the Spanish he picked up during the It's a Knockout years. Actually, I don't think Franco would let Spain participate in It's a Knockout, he must have picked it up on holiday. Anyway, it was painful because of Stuart Hall, but I found myself liking Benitez for the first time. I hope he beats Mourinho.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I am worried about Liverpool. 'Average, appalling, abysmal'. On the limited evidence of the highlights, that sounded close enough to accurate.

Everton will bounce back. It is probably right that Redknapp gets a ban.

Today I found myself thinking of Trevor Steven, and how he never convinced me. I guess I always came at him from the wrong angle.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Redknapp's ban will coincide nicely with the return of Davies and Carrick, thus pushing him way down the pecking order. I suspect that, during suspension, he will injure himself for the rest of the season in training. Therefore claiming that he was never dropped - he was just unlucky with injuries and suspension.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

There's footage of Tricky Trev scoring a flying header vs Southampton on my SEVEN GOAL THRILLERS video, Foxy. Spooky - Goodison gets quieter and quieter the more goals we score. All because of Dogleash's toe-poke at Stamford.

So far, so 02-03. EFC grinding out victories (though our rampaging first-half performance was for nought last Saturday) and LFC useless away from Anfield.

What differences has Jellybean made to LFC's playing style, if any?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt DC: It will be true!

Mike: I fear that JB'n has made LFC less effective.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Liverpool are alarmingly inconsistent - one game they can look truly fantastic, the Monaco game for instance, the next utter cobblers. Although a 1-0 defeat to a frankly inpenetrable Chelsea team is hardly a disaster.

Its too early to judge Benitez's effect on the team but he couldn't make them much worse than the last couple of Houllier seasons surely?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Last couple of seasons: 5th (+ League Cup) and 4th. They can do MUCH worse than that.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, if Spurs and Everton are going to be occupying 4th and 5th slots, then they'll have to.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I shall take that back then, and we'll all go and jeer Arsenal down the Wishful Thinking stadium.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Benitez has brought in some excellent players who haven't got to know each other yet, and he hasn't quite settled on a formation either. Give it a few weeks, and Steve Gerard returning, and I think they will be very good.

I can't quite work out how Everton are doing it - they aren't impressing me much, but they are getting results. I'll be surprised if it lasts, and expect them to finish outside the top 6 or so.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

'Stevie'

('Gerrard')

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, we haven't exactly beaten fantastic sides - the five wins have been against Palace, West Brom, Man City, Boro and Portsmouth. So, the fixture computer has been our friend. But Moyes seems to be very good at identifying other teams' strengths and neutralising them so that if we get a goal, there's rarely a way back for (mediocre) opposition. Our most flowing, attacking football of the season seemed to come in the first half-hour vs Spurs and yielded nowt.

Cahill has proven a very smart buy indeed and it's good to have Chadwick back in the ranks to provide non-pensionable support to Bent. Outside top 6, yes. But inside top half, I'm increasingly convinced.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I am glad that Cahill is not seriously injured. I would feel slightly guilty, were he.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

> first half-hour vs Spurs and yielded nowt.

hit the woodwork twice though* = only a matter of inches.

(*think the second time was later in the match but...)

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
This Is The Thread Where I (Belatedly Have The Opportunity To) Say:

One-Nil

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

'Everton made the Champions League' is going to become the new 'Greece won Euro2004' smug argument-winning line for football anti-rockism, isn't it?

There's always an unlikely team up there at this point in the season, but I'm starting to think that barring a major injury crisis, Everton could actually go the distance. Unlike, say, Charlton last year, Everton don't have a Scott Parker who's up there making everything happen* but who's going to be hoovered up by the more powerful clubs during the transfer window, and that's a big, big thing in their favour.

*Maybe Gravesen, but the sort of clubs who'd go for him are Villa, Charlton and Fulham, and why would he want to go to any of them?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

How are the Tranmere Rovers doing?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Morientes... Welcome or Bugger Off? Perhaps this should be on the Transfer Window thread that I dream about every night.

The Madrid want Stevie G...

Most people here seem to think it is Urgent and Key to live in London, so Gravesen will probably want to sign for Charlton or Fulham for that reason alone. And it'll be no use any London-residing Everton supporters crying about it, either.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 10:55 (nineteen years ago) link

are Liverpool after Lauren Robert now?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Tranmere conceded 6 on Saturday, using 3 keepers in the process, Theodore Whitmore (Jamaican international midfielder) wa sthe third and was regaled with calls of "it's behind you" shortly after he wafted at another shot going in. They are still second in the third division though

Morientes = good in the short term I think, I still think there may be a very cheeky bid for someone else as well (so long as it's not Kanoute)

Robert? I blooming well hope not.

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

We may have peaked with the derby win judging by our inability to threaten a very poor Blackburn side on Saturday while every other top-sixer was winning. It's the first time we've dropped points to anyone you might reasonably expect to find in the bottom half.

11-4-3 remains our best start since 1978 when another slightly jammy effort from a midfielder outside the box won us the Goodison derby. That season we faded to a distant 4th - I'd settle for that this time.

I doubt we'll lose anyone significant next month (Gravesen gives the impression of loving it on Merseyside - God knows I didn't, but I didn't cultivate the accent like he has) and Parker is, funnily enough, someone we've been linked to. Beattie too.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

parker has metatarsal knack though, I think Beattie would be a good buy for you.....if no-one else made a bid.......

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope Everton remain 2nd! A proper team, and proof that you can still do the biz without a squad full of overpaid prima donnas and a full-of-shit manager (hi Arsene and Fergie). The

Off-topic, but interested to hear what people think - looks like Souness has had no effect at Newcastle. Despite his bleatings about needing a centre-back, the guy is a terrible man manager and a poor tactician. Can they improve?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The fact that no pundits (or bookies) seem to be taking Everton at all seriously is kind of weird. Tonight on fivelive it was all Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U as per, with the assumption that one defeat to Charlton has put paid to Everton's very slim title hopes, whereas Man U can come back and win the premiership on the back of tonight's one-nil scraping past Villa. It never occurs to anyone that Everton are there because they are playing more cleverly (I can't dignify them with the word "better") than anyone else.

I hope they win it, or at least break up the big three, for the reasons Doctor C said.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

In the time it took me to walk from the car park into the newborn section of Mothercare World on Purley Way we seemed to concede two goals and get a man sent off. Fair enough, it's taken us until game 20 to have an absolute stinker.

I am getting a bit sick of EFC seemingly never being the commentary match on Five Live - it's always some entirely predictable Gunners/Chelski romp (or else it's Alan Green grumbling about another naggingly unconvincing Liverpool/Man U performance). I imagine we'll get the full VIP treatment on the airwaves this Saturday as Defoe tears us to bits.

We can't get that transfer window open quick enough (someone should throw a brick); no cover at all and major injury #1 has just arrived: Nigel Martyn out for a month. Rooney, Radzinski, Jeffers, Pembridge, Alexandersson, Unsworth, Gemmill, Linderoth - all gone. It's very threadbare below the first-choice XI. It's for this reason that I find the general tone of condescension towards our achievements thus far in 04-05 a bit irksome but also kinda understandable. We could keep checkmating teams in one-nilness if everyone remains magically fit but that's not going to happen; Chelsea would still average 2pts/game if they had eight internationals kidnapped.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

souness hired for being an authoritarian - he's only an authoritarian in the sense that he'll engage enthusiastically in petty/violent training ground squabbles himself. he's shown that he can stand up to anyone - BUT he's never shown that he can *solve* training ground disharmony - everyone just left blackburn saying what a childish twat he was. he was a shit appointment and deserves the sturrock treatment more than paul sturrock did (ie. booted out without being given the chance to prove himself - its far to unlikely.)

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

is souness supposed to be a calming influence on the troubled dressing-room? isn't this the man who had major bust-ups with yorke, cole, gillespie and dunn at blackburn? jesus.
-- weasel diesel (kilian(dot)murphy24@mail.dcu.ie), September 6th, 2004.

otm!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The other day we went through a village called Everton (after the Christchurch intervention). It looked quite nice. I sang 'EV-ER-TON: SHIT!' all the way through it. Sadly, it was a small village. Perhaps I should move there.

I am looking forward to the transfer window. The Nun has given the board a list of four players. Robbie Savage denies all responsibility for his future. Etc.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

right now, Catalunya are playing Argentina, it makes for diverting viewing. It's a shame it's on at the other end of the house

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah yes, the Christmas Autonomous Region Selection matches. I think the Catalans are/were unbeaten for something like 300 years.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 30 December 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Only Brazil have ever beaten them...... in 1958 or somesuch

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 30 December 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I really wish certain Evertonians hadn't let hubris bubble to the surface after the derby win and talked about the gap between EFC and Chelsea being more important than the gap between EFC and LFC. The former is now 12pts and the latter is down to 3pts after Liverpool held grimly on to a win in East Anglia this afternoon.

I'm trying to rationalise this little blip in terms of things that were long overdue - the Tight Game Lost Late On Through Indecision And Indiscipline (quite a few last season, but none before the Charlton game in 04-05) and the Thrashing By Side With Glut Of Attacking Flair (used to happen a lot under Smith, not this season since the opening day). Also slated to make an appearance before long: Agonising Home Reverse After Dominating Possession (plenty of these in 03-04, just the Spurs game in September so far this season) and Bright Start Ends Game As Contest Inside 30min With Surprisingly Good Finishing (did this vs Fulham, Leeds and Spurs last year but never this season - Beattie might change this).

Bit worrying that Martyn can keep 10 clean sheets in 19.5 games and Wright concedes seven goals in 140 minutes. We might need to score five vs Portsmouth.

I think 65pts is still a realistic target: 7-4-6 would do this. That's been good enough for a top six finish in each of the last nine seasons and a CL position in '98 and '04. I think it might be between LFC and Spurs for 4th spot ultimately.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 3 January 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been playing the Career Mode on Fifa 2005 for a while and it's only yesterday when i noticed that the simulated premiership table had Arsenal, Everton, Chelsea and Man Utd as the top four!

how weird!

ken c (ken c), Monday, 3 January 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I went to White Hart Lane on Saturday (as a neutral pretending to be a Spurs fan) and Spurs could easily have scored eight. I can't see Everton getting anywhere near the Champions League if they carry on like that.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 3 January 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Any significance to the fact that the first initials of the top five Premier League clubs in table order today spell CAMEL?

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Spurs could easily have scored eight

Well, they had eight shots on target if the BBC stats are correct. So, Wright did OK considering the shambles going on in front of him. I saw the highlights and, yes, Spurs were rampant.

I think the presumption is we that can't be that fragile again, but we can and we will as injuries accumulate. I wonder about the wisdom of spending two-thirds of our apparent transfer budget on a talented but inconsistent big-name striker with a sub-1-in-3 goalscoring record.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Probably not. (xpost)

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

How can anyone choose Everton over Villa? No sense of glamour, some people. Still, it might have upset the delicate balance of mercurial South American loonies at Villa Park.

I once saw an article about James Beattie and he was a robot in the pictures, you could see his wires and stuff. I think he was jumping over rooftops too.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Hot off the rumour mill: Gravesen to Real Madrid.
Logical extension: Owen to Everton.

No, I don't believe it either.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 January 2005 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I believe half of it, PJM. Unfortunately.

It increasingly looks as if TG isn't going anywhere near a new EFC contract so the question is - get £2m for him now off Real or let him go for free in July. £2m = about four Premiership places, I think. TG = probably the difference between top four/six and top half or Europe and no Europe.

I see Super Kev left for WBA last week. Walter Smith's Small Number Of Good Ideas will soon be history.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 13 January 2005 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

But will TG be tempted by the much-discussed fourth place striker's spot at Madrid? It looks to me like another example of Madrid and Barcelona's habit of hoovering up anyone else's promising players and then turning them to mush. I suppose other carrots will be dangled.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 January 2005 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Gravesen the Galactico seems likely alright.

Just reading this morning Henchoz is on his way out, to Celtic or Rangers, supposedly. He's really deteriorated so much, though obviously Liverpool need a new central defender and have done for some time. Be interesting to see how Pellegrino does.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 13 January 2005 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

pellegrino:liverpool::laurent blanc:man united?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 13 January 2005 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, he's certainly not a striker. I don't know enough about Madrid's squad to know where he'd fit in. That he's not cup-tied is his major appeal to the Euro giants, I think - good cover for the first XI. This is the first season where's he played with any consistency for Everton; to see someone so relishing their every outing in a Royal Blue shirt while simultaneously not even considering extending the engagement just depresses me a bit. He's even got the accent now.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 13 January 2005 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link


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