Love Will POLL Us Apart – Joy Division – New Order Solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – Artist Poll #37 A New Order supplement poll (Voting is open until Friday, Dec. 8, 2017)

Electronic and Technique are Bernard Sumner's peak.

Raise the Pressure is mostly awful, though.

What Do You Want From Me by Monaco is right up there with the best of the 'solo' stuff. Pottsy even sounds like Barney.

Electronic and Technique are Bernard Sumner's peak.

Absolutely.

Also want to rep for some stuff off Twisted Tenderness. Vivid and Make It Happen are both good songs.

What about guest appearances? I love Out of Control by the Chemical Brothers w/ Bernard singing. Higher than a Skyscraper is my fav Hooky guest appearance.

Absolutely, It's solo so it does count

Sumner hasn't written and sung as well as he did on Technique and Electronic

Some Distant Memory should win this comfortably

just listened to both "Out of Control" and "Higher Than A Skyscraper" for the first time. love these kind of recommendations. i like the Hybird song more.

There's also Didn't Know What Love Was with Hot Chip. It was pretty good but I haven't played it in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyKoGPUX_Gc

He sang on Beat Club's Security and on 808 State's Spanish Heart. Both are decent, but probably won't make my top 10.

Really like his vocal on This Time I'm Not Wrong by Sub Sub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDr88sBI3s

Crystal was first released as a Bernard Sumner guest vocal for Corvin Dalek. It's very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egnlo4oUmXg

i love this Sub Sub song!

His guest vocal with Westbam was strange. The verse at 1min is sung completely differently than anything he's done before. It reminds me of someone else, but i can't place it. Also LOL at 'Bernhard'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzsNBVMoJo0

and really, really like Hot Chip and that song is good but not great.

this was fun Brotherlovesdub, i really haven't heard any of these songs.

Taking a moment to point out how much more awesome the versions of songs from Joy Division's second Peel session are than the Hannett-produced versions. The album versions of "Colony," "24 Hours" and "Sound of Music" just don't compare.

this is interesting, if you want to include what version you are voting for please do. i will do my best to say what is what but the points will be added to just the one song.

I can just see the Top 10 being all Joy Division songs, really.

I don’t get this poll what are we supposed to be voting for?

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As I understand it the first poll is just Joy Division tracks and the second poll is NO side projects but not including JD.

Are productions included in the side project polls as there's a few cuts on here I'd be tempted to vote for.

Ah right, should have read the OP - good job it isn't a combined thing or the non-Joy Division stuff would just get lost.

Are productions included in the side project polls

Yes, you can include productions credits

I don’t get this poll what are we supposed to be voting for?

Part 1: Joy Division

Part 2: Anything that a member of New Order has done but not inducing anything from New Order. This is for anything that Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris or Gillian Gilbert has been involved in outside New Order and Joy Division.

Part 3: Ranking albums, including New Order example:

1. Technique
2. Unknown Pleasures
3. Electronic...

hope that helps if i was a bit confusing.

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Great, in which case this is going to be very high on my ballot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRypDlgnSs

that is a pretty good song.

The problem with doing the JD work is that it's small, and there are about a dozen songs that tower above everything, so it's just a question of the order. I would like to make a case for 2, perhaps not usually put in that canon. First is Heart and Soul, that fabulous womb-like thing. Existence; what does it matter? It still sounds like the future to me. Then there's Warsaw, the best example of Curtis' early, angrier voice, barking out concentration camp numbers or something, and some compelling guitar slashing.

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Taking a moment to point out how much more awesome the versions of songs from Joy Division's second Peel session are than the Hannett-produced versions. The album versions of "Colony," "24 Hours" and "Sound of Music" just don't compare.

I was thinking of some of the versions on Les Bains Douches too, These Days in particular

Happy belated Thanksgiving you yanks, meanwhile there is a new poll.

it's nice a gloomy out today, so today is a good day for Substance Joy Division.

Yes, you can include productions credits

Good thing I bought this a few months ago!

https://www.discogs.com/Various-New-Order-Presents-Be-Music/release/9769262

I'm starting to get worried about this poll. I thought a Joy Division poll would be a good idea but it's not looking that way. I don't mind no chatter on this thread but I'm not getting the emails either. Can people let me know if they plan on voting in this? I know the nature of these things is deadline ballots and that's fine, I just need you know if this should continue?

A JD poll is fine but the thread title and description threw people off maybe? I know it left me confused.

i am going to vote but there are a couple of days left, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjfBLcp0Fhw

Def voting on all three parts, but yes, probably on the 8th

The poll concept was confusing and lumping in Joy Division with Marcel King, as good as that MK song is, is a bit of a mess. I understand they're two separate ballots, but I found it odd. I haven't voted yet, and New Order is my favorite band in the world. I obsessively collect the works of Sumner, Hook, Morris, Curtis, Gilbert, either as songwriters or producers, so this poll should be the ultimate for me, but having all of it together has tempered my excitement and delayed my response. The other real issue is, the top 10 side project tracks are basically the first Electronic album, and maybe a single from one of the other Electronic albums. If Pineapple Face, Selfish, or What Do you Want From Me make the top 10, i'll be shocked, and those are easily the best songs from the non-Bernard side projects. Also, opening the 2nd poll up to their productions is wrong to me. Elephant Stone and Looking From A Hilltop have no business competing with Getting Away With It and Disappointed. Love both Elephant Stone and LFAH, but I don't think they should be considered with songs where Hook, Morris, Sumner, Gilbert contribute a performance (rockist scum!). Performance on other peoples tracks makes sense, but strictly production contributions is stretching it a bit, imo. It's not my poll though, it's your poll, but if you're wondering why someone who's favorite band in the world is New Order / Joy Division, has not responded, that's my reasoning.

A JD poll is fine but the thread title and description threw people off maybe? I know it left me confused.

it probably did. i do consider this the Joy Division poll but because of the limited catalog i needed to add more to it.

i am going to vote but there are a couple of days left, no?

December 8, 2017. i took PTO to do this poll so i hope for a good turn out.

to answer brotherlovesdub:

the reason why i added production is because of the four ballots i have received, most only have three to five tracks in Part 2 of this ballot. if opening up a bit to get to the max 10 works then i'm all for it. i really didn't want to put in restrictions on this poll as it backfired on me with my Talking Heads poll but...

let's not vote for production credits, lets just have stuff that any New Order member has actually appears on.

thanks a lot brotherlovesdub, you put this poll in line and it will be better off for it.

i totally forgot about "Elephant Stone" because yes that is not fair and if included it would have to be my number 1 and that doesn't make any sense.

A JD poll is fine but the thread title and description threw people off maybe? I know it left me confused.

I didn't even open the thread until now because I thought this was a poll for solo or side projects of New Order members, especially Electronic. Joy Division was my favourite band at one time but I don't care for New Order or any subsequent projects. If I'm understanding how these three ballots are connected, it's based on the principle that New Order is the core (the heart music) and Joy Division, Revenge, Electronic, Monaco, etc. are all New Order-adjacent projects, which are all being polled at once now, since New Order has already had a poll? I'm still confused about what this means: "Ballot Part Number One (mandatory or Part Two)"

sorry everyone

Part 1: Joy Division

Part 2: Anything that a member of New Order has done but not inducing anything from New Order. This is for anything that Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris or Gillian Gilbert has been involved in outside New Order and Joy Division.

Part 3: Ranking albums, including New Order example:

1. Technique
2. Unknown Pleasures
3. Electronic
4. Substance (Joy Division)...

so this is a JOY DIVISION poll with some New Order stuff thrown in because JD catalog is so small.

does this help?

Yes, that seems clearer. Sorry if I was drunkenly snarky. Does this mean that I can submit a ballot for only Part 1 if Parts 2 and 3 are not my cup of tea?

i will send out confirmation emails starting tonight.

I own that '98 show on DVD and it's a barnstormer. I actually whooped Barney style when they did "Paradise."

I have that video too, but got it for the '81 show and it never even occurred to me watch the other one, having been really disappointed when I saw them in '89. Will definitely check it out now after seeing that Heart and Soul clip. Not a fan of the Barney whoops though.

I have not even received double digit ballots yet, so if you are thinking about voting please, please, please vote as this poll desperately needs voters. Even if you only have a three song ballot of Joy Division songs please send it along.

I sent my ballot about an hour ago. Outside of maybe three or four songs, my JD ballot could have contained just about anything depending on the day.

Good news, the ballots are starting to roll in. Keep voting!

conformation emails are starting to be sent out, if you voted you will get one in the next few minutes to the next hour.

VOTING IS STILL OPEN

I'll throw one together in the next hour or so

after the first 5 choices it became really hard. all my stuff is very particular to me and not at all cannon

I really like “thieves Li

11:31 PM
12/8/2017

a very depressing day

(i'm a SF Giants fan)

sorry got caught up with work. just sent it, hope it's not too late

As an early voter, it doesn't bother me if the entry period is extended.

I threw one in but didn't get confirmation yet

I'm going to leave it open all weekend

not a joke.

Voting has been extending to Sunday Night

I put Tighten Up as my number one. I vividly remember rewinding the tape over and over to hear that song again and again. It sounded like Bigmouth crossed wirh Shellshock (86-87 era Pettibone mixed tracks) and delivered on the sound in my head when I heard Johnny and Bernard were working together. These days the intro sounds terribly dated but the vocals and guitars are great. Bad Lieutenant played it on tour, but I never heard a decent recording of it. It’s a shame these songs from the Electronic catalog are going unplayed. Johnny played a couple on his last tour but his voice is as bad as Hooky’s and nobody really wants to hear that.

I didn't even mind that the sound was slightly fusty even in summer '91.

"Dated" isn't pejorative to me, by the way

Terminal lurker ballot sent under duress. Amazing that after all these years, the effort of picking favorites among JD songs still provokes emotional tugging.

Albums I wish New Order had tried to make:

1984 instrumental album with the long version of 5-8-6 on one side, the long version of Elegia on the other, allowing room for the long version of Perfect Kiss on Low Life
Some sort of dub collaboration with someone like augustus pablo, sly and robbie, etc. digging deeper into confusion, blue monday, etc. more melodicas? slow stuff down?
A full video album's worth of mid 80s live in the studio versions, after they saw the success of the perfect kiss. Demme should have made an anti-Stop Making Sense with them - black and white, no audience, no funny business, no guests, multiple retakes until each song was got right.
An early 90s unplugged album of the hits. Love the slow version of Regret by Afghan Whigs and, yes, the much maligned Frente cover. So some stuff like that sung by bernie (True Faith and Temptation might be good like this) mixed with some campfire singalong style stuff - Love Vigilantes could work well with chugging acoustic guitars or a country strum.
A late 90s live album of JD songs including redoing Sister Ray, the '87 version annoys me. Gang of Four and Mekons' punk re-does were kind of pointless, but sounded good, so I'd be interested in a whole album of Bernie singing Ian's songs, provided the backing still had some teeth from Hook.

Probably all of these would be crap if they actually happened but I like to think about these things.

The full warsaw tape should get released with the sound quality of the three tracks on the box set. I particularly like the versions of Novelty and Transmission. Also, the 1980 no-guitar-overdub versions of Only Mistake and the Kill would be nice, the unimproved version of Walked In Line was interesting to hear.

sent out another round of conformation emails. if you have voted you should have one.

this is shaping up to be a great poll, hope we can get just a few more...

VOTING IS STILL OPEN

Thanks for extending the deadline. Voted.

I sent mine off a few days ago but haven't received a confirmation email so I'm resending just to be safe

I put Tighten Up as my number one. I vividly remember rewinding the tape over and over to hear that song again and again. It sounded like Bigmouth crossed wirh Shellshock (86-87 era Pettibone mixed tracks) and delivered on the sound in my head when I heard Johnny and Bernard were working together.

agreed, great song (though I didn't submit a part 2 ballot)

1984 instrumental album with the long version of 5-8-6 on one side, the long version of Elegia on the other, allowing room for the long version of Perfect Kiss on Low Life

I love those long versions, but more as background/concept pieces rather than album length ideas. And I never understood the need for the edited version of Perfect Kiss, other than their insistence on not having singles on albums. Why not have "Face Up" closing Side 1 and the eight minute "Perfect Kiss" closing Side 2?

A late 90s live album of JD songs including redoing Sister Ray, the '87 version annoys me. Gang of Four and Mekons' punk re-does were kind of pointless, but sounded good, so I'd be interested in a whole album of Bernie singing Ian's songs, provided the backing still had some teeth from Hook.

Have you seen this TV performance by Peter Hook and the Light?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSe-1Dpv8o

It's the closest thing to the Martin Hannett productions coming to life on stage (as opposed to what JD live really sounded like). The vocals are an abomination for the most part, but the music sounds great.

i'm a bit worried about lost ballots after what ufo said, so if you did not get a confirmation email, please send again.

ONLY A FEW HOURS LEFT TO VOTE

Sent!

POLL Will Tear Us Apart – ILM Artist Poll #86 - JOY DIVISION – New Order solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – a NEW ORDER (#37) supplement poll --- Results Thread