Pulp: C.L.A.S.S.I.C.O.R.D.U.D?

aaah I haven't listened to this album in years. It reminds me so much of trips to London, hanging around in bars and clubs circa 96...
I think I remember passing in front of Bar Italia !
Anyway, I would have to listen to it again but iirc it was such a great album.
I remember particularly liking "E's & Wizz" and the over the top disco moment in "I Spy" !

When I heard 'Disco 2000' last night, I was amazed at just how well it slotted in with all the new wave/synthpop I've been listening to a lot over the last few years. If I'd never heard the song before and you told me it had been released anywhere between 1977 and 1983 instead of 1995, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

If it weren't for the lyrics, you could convince me that Disco 2000 came out last week

disco 2000 doesn't sound like it was recorded in the early 80s wtf are you talking about turrican

the drum sound, the guitar tone, the clarity...

voodoo chilli otm, tho

i mean, i guess its not that far off from a de-funkified "my own way", but it sounds totally un-80s imo

defunkified "my own way" in terms of the beat or whatever

nevermind me, no reponse necc, i don't care anymore

It's okay, I didn't in the first place. You're wrong, anyway.

In fact, generally speaking that particular era of UK guitar music were more influenced by the late '70s and early '80s than the '60s, which is what everyone seems to think. Aside from Oasis, whose influences are more early-mid '70s. There's more "'80s" in Pulp and Blur than folks realise or want to admit.

Those cowards who don't dare to point out that britpop had influences that they freely admit in interviews

*britpop bands

Pulp formed in the 70s and active for the whole of the 80s so what are you on about?

^ is implying that It sounds like Different Class or His 'n' Hers, when it doesn't.

Oh, and Britpop didn't exist.

Also, Wings are influenced by the 60s

But yeah, 'Disco 2000' with its "disco" beat that a lot of British bands were utilising in the late '70s/early '80s, with its guitar riff that seems like it's been beamed directly from the late '70s Blondie song, vintage keyboards and a chorus that wouldn't have sounded out of place on a Dexys Midnight Runners track circa Too-Rye-Ay ... yeah, I'd say it fits in snugly.

Yes, Wings are influenced by the '60s - thanks for that, Captain Obvious.

Pulp's early '80s work, although Cocker's voice is in place from the off, has a very different set of influences. It comes from a different place than the work which actually defines them.

Disco 2000 seems like it was heavily influenced by Denim's 1st album especially "I'm Against the 80s" & "Here is my Song for Europe".

sounds like mid period Jimmy Eat World iirc

Disco 2000 is about 50% Gloria by Laura Branigan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=355Fk8drgZE

ahah otm re : Laura Branigan !

also I agree that mid90s brit guitar pop was more influenced by 70s and 80s bands and sounds than 60s.
as for "Different Class". I listened to it yesterday following this thread.
Actually, although they're great, I don't think I need to hear "Common People", "Disco 2000" and most of the rest again.
I still enjoy "Es&Wizz" and "Underwear". Also agree that "Live Bed Show", which I never particularly liked, might be the one I find the most interesting now.

woah is she wearing a lightning bolt belt in that video? so cool!

But yeah, 'Disco 2000' with its "disco" beat that a lot of British bands were utilising in the late '70s/early '80s, with its guitar riff that seems like it's been beamed directly from the late '70s Blondie song, vintage keyboards and a chorus that wouldn't have sounded out of place on a Dexys Midnight Runners track circa Too-Rye-Ay ... yeah, I'd say it fits in snugly.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's nothing new under the sun, asshole

obviously "Disco 2000" is influenced by the 70s, it has the word "Disco" in the title fergodsake

^ Wow, check out this charmer!

turrican, you have a tendency to point out the most obvious of musical observations and present them as if you have some sort of special listening ability that makes your judgment superior to everybody else's. please stop.

most people on this board can discuss music without intimating that everyone who doesn't share their every opinion is a dullard

Brimstead stated that he couldn't understand what I was getting at and I explained it. Cue your howl of pain. This could have potentially have blossomed into a great discussion about a band we all like, but you and brimstead clearly can't help yourselves, it seems.

Anyway, to steer us away from this nonsense, I listened to This is Hardcore earlier and 'The Day After The Revolution' completely blew me away. Maybe it would have benefitted from being a couple of songs shorter, but I can't decide which ones... all the ones that tend to get cited as lesser moments: 'Sylvia', 'I'm a Man', 'TV Movie', 'A Little Soul' are ones that I still really like a lot.

'Seductive Barry' surely must be one of the best things this band have ever done...

what
is
this
feeling called challops

sorry couldn't resist, but i totally disagree about Seductive Barry, which is overwrought even by the standards of an intentionally (and often blissfully) indulgent album like This Is Hardcore

I hadn't heard it since I was about 15, but I've had "Babies" stuck in my head for a few days, so I popped on the record today, and Christ, I forgot how brilliant this song is.

I was pretty obsessed with this is hardcore in the spring of 2002 but “seductive barry” did absolutely nothing for me

So then... https://www.nme.com/news/music/jarvis-cocker-confirms-pulp-reunion-shows-for-2023-3276640

Now we have another reunion all I want for is a hardback publication of Turrican arguments

Quick heads up, Jarvis' book 'Good Pop Bad Pop' is on Kindle at the moment for £1

I enjoyed listening to him read it when it was serialised on radio 4 but not enough to actually buy it.

:(

Our beloved friend & bass player Steve Mackey passed away this morning. Our thoughts are with his family & loved ones. Safe travels, Steve.
We hope to catch up with you one day. All our love xx pic.twitter.com/pickNV56Nl

— Pulp (@welovepulp) March 2, 2023

This is garbage news. I knew Steve real well and he was the absolute best most shining positive force you could ever imagine

:(

I don't think I ever registered what he looked like, but loving these pictures I have been seeing of him just now.

This is garbage news. I knew Steve real well and he was the absolute best most shining positive force you could ever imagine

i was privileged to know him too and he absolutely was. Such shite news!

Ugh. This sucks.

That’s exactly it. I feel so privileged to have known the guy. Impressive CV aside he was just this magic dude. He was one of two people I gave full unconditional access to all my orchestral stems for his usage on whatever he liked. I really loved this guy. Never had lunch with him without feeling like I walked away with some lesson learned or some great advice

meant to post this here rather than the obit thread, sorry. just makes me love the guy even more.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqdhX05X/20230302-161904.jpg

I knew and liked him a lot in the wayback years, hadn’t seen him since he produced Galang (the odd private view non-withstanding) and I’m so devastated for his family and close friends.

Just rotten. What a perfect key element for that band, always an anchor but never a weight.

Jarvis & Steve were in many ways the core duo of 90s Pulp, and he was the only member of the band on Jarvis's solo LPs, a real loss musically as well as a lovely guy.