Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

The refrain of Rose’s victims leaving journalism is gutwrenching... and the fiefdom he created, having ultimate hiring & firing power completely enabled all of his predatory behaviour. It’s like working at a small owner-run business with a creepy boss, you’re trapped into either going along or jumping ship

and Chuck raises a question i have been thinking about a lot, how to empower the employees of *any* kind of business to speak out in a collective voice against predatory acts in the workplace

can't say I'm at all surprised about Charlie Rose

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DJP your post is a good summation of what I’m grappling with but my version has a lot more falcon-cannot-hear-the-falconer shit going on and also I can’t tell which one I am.

I guess the next question is, for everyone else whose harasser or assaulter isn't a celebrity or media figure, where do they tell their story?

I guess the next question is, for everyone else whose harasser or assaulter isn't a celebrity or media figure, where do they tell their story?

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, November 20, 2017 5:52 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that is a good question

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 20, 2017 5:54 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

facebook it's where all stories must be told it's the law

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, November 20, 2017 6:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

this is exactly what i have been thinking -- how long before outing people on facebook is something people do
so many men must be shitting their pants right now wondering if that girl/those girls from high school/college/way back when is/are going to say something

outing predators on facebook has been happening for the last year and a half ime

i've seen ppl come forward about stuff that has happened recently/semi-recently
i'm talking about outing events that have heretofore been considered ancient history -- things that happened 20+ years ago
the men in question are likely to be parents of young or school-aged children

Does that have the same job-losing/prestige-destroying effect?

I'm not on the facebooks

it could be personally devastating/deeply humiliating -- would you like to me to try and find out? (kidding, one of them is dead and neither of them have ever been on fb as long as i have been there -- i checked over and over)

there was a prominent member of our local theatre community who was accused by a student of being abusive, which was corroborated by an ex-lover who had been silent on FB for a while. resulted in massive furor across Central Florida but in the end, nothing really happened.

similar thing happened with another person, same result. it definitely gets people's attention, but harder to actually hit someone where they hurt when they're lower level

though, it did get people talking about it in both cases

Rose looks completely done: suspended by CBS and his show pulled by PBS

Irin Carmon on PBS News earlier saying that the story isn't done yet either.

Business Insider has a completely separate piece up with stories from people not in the WaPo story:

http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-rose-accused-of-improper-behavior-by-former-interns-2017-11

I don't Facebook either and it seems wildly ill-advised to transfer the copyright in your accusatory statement to an advertising company

(this is my attitude to doing almost anything on facebook tbh but surely it puts you at a legal disadvantage here)

Well that's assuming any legal action is even possible, much less preferable

damn, charlie ;_;

im gonna miss his pbs show so much if it goes away, was just saying how recently hes been booking really broadly great/intersting guests

https://www.mediaite.com/online/dem-rep-john-conyers-reportedly-sexually-harassed-his-female-staff/

In terms of being taken seriously, too - to surrender legal ownership of your claim, at point of publication, to an entity that will attempt to monetise it on their own behalf. and that will (AIUI) actively associate you with your alleged attacker in the future, eradicating any control you may have exercised on your interaction since the incident.

xpost

http://deadline.com/2017/11/melissa-gilbert-oliver-stone-sexually-harassment-the-doors-andy-cohen-1202212904/

sic you're right
idk if a lot of people would have the foresight to think about all that but they should

A Law Unto Himself: Barrister Charles Waterstreet Lied About Masturbation Video Played To Jobseeker

Five seasons of an award-winning prestige TV show have been made "inspired by" this dude, and how charming his drugging and drinking and harassment and fucking are, even though they distract from his practice

nothing i can articulate yet but thinking a lot about "open secrets"... what they are, how they form, the communities of silence that form around them...

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:03 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes. over the last few years harassment & assault has been revealed in my professional community by men wielding considerable professional power. People closely involved learn to live with the horrors because "otherwise" their professional life is good. the victims' damage is seen as a "sad" cost of keeping life good. I imagine this is how non-abolitionists who were still "against slavery" felt in the early 1800s.

Farrow's latest:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-secret-settlements

Weinstein also hid the payments underwriting some of these settlements. In one case, in the nineteen-nineties, Bob Weinstein, who co-founded the film studio Miramax with his brother, paid two hundred and fifty thousand pounds, roughly six hundred thousand dollars today, to be split between two female employees in England who accused Harvey Weinstein of sexual harassment and assault. The funds came from Bob Weinstein’s personal bank account—a move that helped conceal the payment from executives at Miramax and its parent company, Disney, as well as from Harvey Weinstein’s spouse.

In an interview, Bob Weinstein acknowledged the personal payout but said that his brother had misled him about the reasons behind it. “Regarding that payment, I only know what Harvey told me, and basically what he said was he was fooling around with two women and they were asking for money,” Bob Weinstein told me. “And he didn’t want his wife to find out, so he asked me if I could write a check, and so I did, but there was nothing to indicate any kind of sexual harassment.” A former senior Miramax executive said that it was implausible that Bob Weinstein did not know about the nature of the allegations, which were reported to the company.

This section may be the most relevant long term:

Reiter also raised doubts about the fairness of lifetime nondisclosure agreements. “A forever N.D.A. should not be legal,” he told me. “People should not be made to live with that. He’s created so many victims that have been burdened for so many years, and it’s just not right.”

These contractual constraints are perfectly legal. Allred, the victim’s-rights attorney, said that courts usually enforce them and view efforts to break them as “buyer’s remorse.” But in recent weeks lawmakers and legal experts have called for reforms to this system. Estreicher has proposed that the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the government body that oversees workplace discrimination, track sexual-misconduct-related settlements and investigate employers who use them repeatedly. In addition to Congresswoman Jackie Speier’s legislation regarding congressional employees, state lawmakers in New York and California are pushing legislation to curtail the use of nondisclosure agreements in sexual-abuse cases. “These secret settlements perpetuate the problem. They allow rich men to continue to be sexual predators,” Connie Leyva, the California state senator who has announced legislation in that state, told me. “I hope that we can get this done in California, and that it will spread like wildfire around the country.”

Allred raised concerns about the potential reforms, which she feared could limit victims’ options. She noted that “anyone who agrees to enter into a settlement has a choice” and accepts both the costs and the—sometimes considerable—benefits. Good attorneys, she argued, explain the full implications of such agreements. “And then the client makes an informed choice.”

Gutierrez, Perkins, and other women who signed agreements with Weinstein told me that they felt their consent was far from informed.

My magazine, Radar, featured #Charlie Rose in our cover story about “Toxic Bachelors” TEN years ago, and refused to run a retraction when David Boies threatened to sue us. Others on our list: Jeremy Piven, Jeffrey Epstein, Colin Farrell, Joe Francis and Kevin Spacey. pic.twitter.com/tdM0RZ6hWw

— Maer Roshan (@MaerRoshan) November 21, 2017

Toxic Bachelors
(continued)
Radar on Charlie Rose in 2007—"while he's on good behavior in the office, he loosens up in the Long Island village where he has a vacation home." pic.twitter.com/XqBxIfJyjB

— Harry Siegel (@harrysiegel) November 21, 2017

something needs to be done about cy vance

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/swedish-music-industry-rocked-by-sexual-assault-scandal/

The Swedish petition is signed by 1,993 women who work as producers, artists, songwriters, DJs, artist managers, A&Rs, booking agents, publishers and more besides. Their ranks include globally renowned performers such as Robyn, First Aid Kit and Zara Larsson (all pictured).

yeah well there's a reason i said that blowing it up and starting all over would be the only way to fix things

also the men responding to that traister tweet with INSISTENCES that clinton was a bad candidate really need some time in a corner

i still can't get over "the crusty paw". ewwwwwwww.

he was gross enough on t.v.

now thinking of him walking around nude in front of people who worked for him....ewwwwwwwwww.

BREAK: CBS has fired Charlie Rose. Memo that just went out to CBS News staffers pic.twitter.com/Db9NpKDv2l

— John Koblin (@koblin) November 21, 2017

Walking around in nothing but a chalk-stripe Purple Label jacket...

BREAK: PBS is ending its relationship with Charlie Rose: "In light of yesterday’s revelations, PBS has terminated its relationship with Charlie Rose and cancelled distribution of his programs."

— John Koblin (@koblin) November 21, 2017

"Two women told the Post they reported Rose’s inappropriate actions to Yvette Vega, a longtime producer on his show. Vega told the Post she “failed” to help those women.

“I should have stood up for them,” she said."

uh yeah you think? she should be fired too.

this bit...

That fall, she traveled with Rose to Aspen for a conference. On Oct. 1, after the trip, Bravo wrote an email to Vega, alluding to earlier issues with Rose:

“On a personal note, I know working for Charlie requires one to embrace his uniqueness and develop a professional relationship that can account for it. It’s taken a couple straight forward conversations between the two of us, but I feel I’m in a better place than previously. And that’s not to say that I was previously in a really bad place! It all might sound cryptic, but you seem to play somewhat of a motherly role for staff members and I just wanted you to know that I’m okay : )”

Vega responded the same day:

“I have some concerns for you especially in what you are trying to tell me in this email. Please know the following about me, I have worked with Charlie for 16 years, so there is nothing that I haven’t heard or possibly experienced – and that anything you ever reveal to me would be kept in confidence from anyone and from the top down, so that you can feel comfortable in that confidence...”

I have never liked Charlie Rose and couldn't bear to watch more than five minutes of him, no matter who his guest was. I am certain this was not because I have a highly sensitive "creep detector", but more because he seemed like there was nothing to him but an insufferable pose of gravitas.

I watched his PBS show religiously back in the day but oh well, peace out Crusty Paw.

aimless . . . otm

he was such an unbearable ass-kisser. drooling over the rich/powerful. it was hard to take. the big ego people definitely loved being on his show.

and he looked like the worst kind of '70s game show host drunk too

he had tons of big names and great artists on his show but was always so blatantly unprepared. he asked the most inane, softball, "I didn't do the homework" type questions. the David Foster Wallace interview is great, CR has obviously not read a word of any of his books and they start talking about movies.

CR: The English Patient.
DFW: ...you're seriously asking about The English Patient?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SIp6xSP7ds

creepypaws...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4uT6ou_ZGw&t=784s

sidebar: I hate this year for many reasons, but high on the list is having to even briefly think about naked Harvey Weinstein & naked Charlie Rose

This is on the vague tip...and yet.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-lasseter-taking-leave-absence-pixar-missteps-1057113