Let us anticipate Greta Gerwig's directorial debut "Lady Bird"

In 2001 it might have been a little much (the record player portion, that is).

Anderson is kind of immune from this criticism since his movies are generally not populated with humans

and even if they were they wouldn't have heard R&B.

but Royal Tenenbaums isn't grounded in reality in the same way that Perks of Being a Wallflower or 20th Century Women are. criticizing the turntable and the obscure Stones track is like criticizing the tent that Richie lives in. fwiw Royal Tenenbaums is the only Wes Anderson movie I really love, because the balance of whimsy and real people is just right.

taking sides: bikini kill poster in bedroom vs. cd wallet full of greatest hits collections

fwiw Royal Tenenbaums is the only Wes Anderson movie I really love, because the balance of whimsy and real people is just right

On the contrary, this is the one where it first started to feel out of whack.

I guess no one has pointed out that the thread title is not exactly accurate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_and_Weekends

taking sides: bikini kill poster in bedroom vs. cd wallet full of greatest hits collections

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, November 20, 2017 2:51 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sleater-Kinney poster too! So this movie did kinda violate the look-i'm-hip rule, and leaves us a little confused as to Lady Bird's tastes. (she also like Kyle's band and tbh I was digging the first song..)

I saw those posters and they seemed legit to me. Dig me out and bikini kill's singles cd were common and cheap in 2001-2003. I think they were about $11 new around that time? and signaling ostensible hipness isn't incompatible with being unwilling to disparage ... dmb, Alanis, or other uncool middle school loves. if anything, I think it says something about lady bird's stubbornness and confidence.

lots of teenagers had patchwork, magpie taste. the band really fit, too! they sounded way more like that anodyne-but -intricate late-90s/early-00s emo than anything contemporary. you have even less agency over what local bands you happen to see and like than cds you buy/steal/get for Christmas.

call it friend rock, boyfriend rock, classmate rock, older sibling rock...

^^^ i actually agree with this, and i think it's what i was trying to say with that (sorta glib) taking sides post

i hella listened to dave matthews band and sonic youth in high school

wasn't there an uncool cd rehabilitation scene in that recent Jenny slate movie? I like how these scenes give context and character to a song that might not have positive associations from your own life when it was on the radio. like I have fond memories lying on the carpet hearing pm dawn, but I felt I was seeking agency and authenticity when "crash" was popular and the song felt incompatible with that.

if she'd had Dig Me Out and No Fences and the Bikini Kill comp and Under the Table and Dreaming in her CD wallet, then the NYC music snob would have called her tastes "eclectic" xp

i can't fathom how this movie was rated R.

if a movie has any hint of homosexuality, it's no longer even PG-13.

the word "cunt" was said twice.

that's all I got

if i were willing to valorize dave matthews, i'd expect the ratings board to give me blanket immunity.

shoulda been listenin to Mary J Blige's "Family Affair"

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it's rated R?????? wtf

I didn't notice the posters! Even if it is signaling taste, it's realistic & makes sense to me (Sleater-Kinney toured with Pearl Jam in the early 00s, anyone that liked Nirvana and did the most elementary research the name Bikini Kill would come up, cf. the origin of the title "Smells Like Teen Spirit"). More importantly, posters in the background =/= long scenes devoted to discussing cool music. bamcquern otm re: the boy's band

yeah I don't really know why it was Rated R. We took my 11 1/2 year old because my wife didn't want to leave him home alone and we didn't want to pay for a sitter. It was fine, he already knows about sex and just kind of hid his face in the one half-graphic scene, which really wans't any more graphic that what you see on network TV these days.

I loved this film. I grew up in Sacramento, to a point (moved when I was 8 1/2 in 1981, so quite a bit earlier) and retain some kind of nostalgia for it which this movie kind of vindicated, though it's a pretty glorified image of it, the city is certainly shit in lots of ways. I loved that they were excited for the State Fair and the log ride which was also my favorite thing when I was a kid.

this is one of the better coming of age movies I've ever seen; she very realistically straddles that stubborn awful teenage willfullness with something more mature; and I like that in the end, personally, I believe she's right; she did need to move out of Sacramento.

saw it cold, loved it, recommend it.

liked it also, yes v good re coming of age

lady bird as a character reminded some of anna pacquins character in margaret

gotta say too that the save a horse ride a cowboy tshirts @ that western party (?) made me immed think of ilx/ilm

ha me too, although I remember Big & Rich as a late '03 phenomenon.

It just hit trope after trope: gay boyfriend in theatre; prettier girl ignores the kind fat best friend until a lesson is learned.

And then the worst one: NYC as savior (mixed in with some remembrance for the old country).

As my friend said while the credits rolled: ‘doesn’t the next one start just about now?’

Sarosie Ronan is unbelievable, but I don’t get the praise

Do you not like tropes

And then the worst one: NYC as savior

huh. did you watch this movie

yeah it was super tropey but sorta in the way of like, hey, if you're gonna do a tropey high school movie, I'm throwing down the gauntlet: do it at LEAST this well, or don't bother. the script was so good and sharp and funny and well-observed even when the situations were seen-it-a-million-times. the fury road of senior-year movies.

new york is not pitched as a savior tho - she has the same baggage there, is encountering the same dumbass dudes, and is making some of the same mistakes even. SHE goes there thinking it's the marvelous land of oz and it genuinely means a lot to her to be leaving home, but the movie gives us plenty of space to not buy into that... indeed to realize she'll grow up to be someone who can look back on this as a fairly dopey wide-eyed move that put a lot of pressure on her parents' finances and that sacramento isn't all bad (etc etc). but that it all turns out right in the end.

only thing that bugs me is the handling of her name in the very last scene. might have come off differently to me ten or five years ago, but in 2017 it felt weirdly situated re: trans identity and now it feels like a movie i should not recommend to friends blindly.

Well, Lady Bird isn't exactly sympathetic to her closeted boyfriend's situation until the moment he collapses in her arms. So woke she ain't.

No one was. Period piece.

it was tropey but it did things that pretty in pink brought up, and did them right (it's no accident that both the dresses she picks are pink). for instance: the probably gay friend turns out to be actually gay here. And, she sides with some real friends in the end, rather than going with the douche.

"only thing that bugs me is the handling of her name in the very last scene. might have come off differently to me ten or five years ago, but in 2017 it felt weirdly situated re: trans identity and now it feels like a movie i should not recommend to friends blindly." Huh, I'm not reading you.

we're supposed to find it touching and powerful that she sheds her chosen name for the "good name" her parents gave her. feel like for a lot of people, that will be a super unpleasant moment that throws them out of the movie.

it may but hopefully they can see outside their own selves enough that its real & works for this character, perspective of distance from her parents illuminating how they did the best they could &c &c

maybe? i dunno? just saying that it makes me feel like i'd be being a dick to tell all my friends oh man you will LOVE this movie, it gets everything right!

I've never felt that way.

Likewise.

I love many movies that get many things wrong.

re: "wrong," maybe playing with fire here, but if the ending of this movie is enough to give you pause, what entertainments out there do you regard as safe?

jeez y'all. i'm just saying that the trans/NB people in my life are very sensitive to narratives about given vs chosen names and it just played really weird, to me, to have it be played as a happy-ending payoff that a character who's earlier articulated a pretty groovy claim on her name ("I gave it to myself") later is like oh nah forget it. and it's fine for her to be oh nah forget it! but we're supposed to feel big feelings that she does, and *that* felt weird to me.

but tbf it's early and I'm still working on my coffee so I might not be doing the best job expressing this

And I might be doing my best job resisting it.

gotta say too that the save a horse ride a cowboy tshirts @ that western party (?) made me immed think of ilx/ilm

― johnny crunch, Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:58 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha me too, although I remember Big & Rich as a late '03 phenomenon.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 21, 2017 8:02 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yes i figured it was an anachronism (the single and the album it was on both came out in spring 2004)--but then wondered whether "save a horse, ride a cowboy" was just a phrase that people said before big & rich made a song out of it?

pretty sure it was? but when i try to remember i just hear the song in my head.

i was pretty surprised they were allowed to wear shirts that said that to a dance at a catholic school

as a nonbinary person who has often considered changing their name, doc casino’s point honestly never occurred to me as i was watching it. huh

huh, fair enough - I'll def trust your perspective on this more than my second-guessing of my own!

i mean i actually find what you’re saying really interesting, even as my experience of the film was more along the lines of what johnny crunch said

Loved it. Loved how so many minor characters (the two play directors) could be drawn so sharply in a scene or two.

It's like the Veep style turned into something other than mean comedy, as far as efficiency and detail.