Let us anticipate Greta Gerwig's directorial debut "Lady Bird"

garbage like 20th Century Women

wait wtf

I'm not a fan but I can understand what (lots and lots) of my filmcrit friends saw in it.

flappy - 20th century women rules....eh?

The depth of empathy for everyone on screen is worthy of comparisons to Renoir

Yes, good observation and a rare and refreshing virtue

Although the empathy may not have extended to bf #2

I recognized enough of myself and/or my friends at that age (i.e. the barter gag) that I extended it.

Chalamet is resourceful enough an actor (and Gerwig gives him the space) to remind us why we found selfish dicks hot as fuck.

Saw this tonight. I liked the last third better than the first hour--which is good, I'd rather have a film end strong. Favourite two things were the scene where Lois Smith suggested love = attention, and also Lady Bird's voiceover about driving around Sacramento (and the matching shots of her and her mom behind the wheel). I'm always moved by scenes where someone gets an acceptance letter in the mail for university--think I could name a half-dozen other good ones. And proms, I guess because I didn't go my own. I kind of wish Laurie Metcalf hadn't been given a milder version of the Mary Tyler Moore role from Ordinary People. She's just so funny on Roseanne; I missed that.

I'm always moved by scenes where someone gets an acceptance letter in the mail for university

With me it's scenes involving parents and kids entering college saying their goodbyes. This one offered a bittersweet and no less wrenching variation.

They're great too, and Lady Bird's wasn't like anything I'd ever seen. Sort of reminded me of Sarris writing about Notorious, how the camera settles on the villain rather than the two principals--not that Laurie Metcalf's the villain, but following her in and out of the airport was unusual and really nice.

the trailer makes this look like some rote indie h**ster film. i take it that the trailer is just rotten then?

The movie is a lot better than the trailer led me to expect

I loathed Frances Ha and Mistress America, just awful,

oh come on

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I love your response otherwise though!

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garbage like 20th Century Women

wait wtf

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson)

I'm not a fan but I can understand what (lots and lots) of my filmcrit friends saw in it.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

flappy - 20th century women rules....eh?

― Week of Wonders (Ross)

Haven't seen Frances Ha since it came out 5 years ago but I really hated it, the world doesn't need another second of Woody Allen cosplay. It came out around the same time Girls premiered on HBO and I was just completely fed up with struggling artists (?) in love letters to NYC. Mistress America is fresh in my mind, I remember that one being just so weightless and full of noxious whimsy and silliness, as if Baumbach was trying to outdo the worst of Wes Anderson. I rewatched Greenberg tonight after making my initial post and seeing the responses, and it's even better than I remember. Brilliant movie. The Greenberg character is incredible, such a beautiful excoriation of a certain type of meek hipster that is all too often exalted and excused for in movies, culture, and society. The scene when he's doing coke with the millennials and he's going off about how he's better than them because they're "so sincere, and confident, and you don't have any hangups, and you listen to older, smart people...like me." The movie is such a fantastic dark satire, totally absurd at times, and I really despised Frances Ha & Mistress America because it was as if Baumbach embraced the sensibility of the effigy that he completely torched in his last movie.

20th Century Women... this is what I wrote at the time:

Mike Mills makes the same mistake here, presenting one-dimensional archetypes instead of the real people he claims to pay homage to. Some autobiography. 20th Century Women is slotted with scarecrows: the neurotic teenage boy who’s obviously a stand-in for the director (Lucas Jade Zumann); the slightly older girl that the director always wanted to fuck but got emotionally toyed with instead (Elle Fanning); the boy’s eccentric and often embarrassing free spirit of a mother (Annette Bening); and the new wave art girl who lived on the Lower East Side in the mid-1970s and moved back home, whose sole purpose is to give us reason to believe any of these people would be listening to Suicide and The Talking Heads or wearing Lou Reed and Devo t-shirts (that would be Greta Gerwig).

Do we really need another poignant scene of parents freaking out over Black Flag? Pick your generation and band of choice—20th Century Women is pure nostalgia porn, an exercise that should’ve been carried out in private, for much less money.

also 20th Century Women was so obviously written by a dude from a dude's perspective. I found the whole conceit at best a complete failure, at worst really disingenuous.

I wouldn't say they freaked out over Black Flag; they were bemused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up0pJ4Otvkk

The trailer isn’t very indicative of the movie, but I did love it’s use of the Monkees’ “As We Go Along.”

after the third-or-so appearance of "Crash" by DMB I was about to cry uncle

(that was my point of empathy with Kyle/bf2)

I agree with the Facebook clickbait article about how more characters in movies should have bad taste in music.

Or, rather, fewer should flaunt their directors' ostensibly amazing taste in music.

Dunno about "Facebook clickbait," but I assume you're talking about this Steven Hyden piece? http://uproxx.com/movies/lady-bird-dave-matthews-band-in-defense-of-fictional-uncool-music-taste/

I was being a little glib. I agree with the sentiment.

here's my thinkpiece: I Loved This Movie But "Crash into Me" Has Been Stuck in My Head for Almost 24 Hours

It’s one thing, for instance, to make Margot a Rolling Stones fan in The Royal Tenenbaums, but isn’t it a little much that she plays “She Smiles Sweetly,” a largely unknown cut from 1967’s Between The Buttons, on a frickin’ record player?

this is p dumb imo (oh big surprise from a st*ve hyd*n piece)

I haven't seen this yet (or read the Hyden thing, lol) but I broadly agree with the sentiment that many filmmakers err on the side of hipness instead of what's "in character" / setting-appropriate

In 2001 it might have been a little much (the record player portion, that is).

Anderson is kind of immune from this criticism since his movies are generally not populated with humans

and even if they were they wouldn't have heard R&B.

but Royal Tenenbaums isn't grounded in reality in the same way that Perks of Being a Wallflower or 20th Century Women are. criticizing the turntable and the obscure Stones track is like criticizing the tent that Richie lives in. fwiw Royal Tenenbaums is the only Wes Anderson movie I really love, because the balance of whimsy and real people is just right.

taking sides: bikini kill poster in bedroom vs. cd wallet full of greatest hits collections

fwiw Royal Tenenbaums is the only Wes Anderson movie I really love, because the balance of whimsy and real people is just right

On the contrary, this is the one where it first started to feel out of whack.

I guess no one has pointed out that the thread title is not exactly accurate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_and_Weekends

taking sides: bikini kill poster in bedroom vs. cd wallet full of greatest hits collections

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, November 20, 2017 2:51 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sleater-Kinney poster too! So this movie did kinda violate the look-i'm-hip rule, and leaves us a little confused as to Lady Bird's tastes. (she also like Kyle's band and tbh I was digging the first song..)

I saw those posters and they seemed legit to me. Dig me out and bikini kill's singles cd were common and cheap in 2001-2003. I think they were about $11 new around that time? and signaling ostensible hipness isn't incompatible with being unwilling to disparage ... dmb, Alanis, or other uncool middle school loves. if anything, I think it says something about lady bird's stubbornness and confidence.

lots of teenagers had patchwork, magpie taste. the band really fit, too! they sounded way more like that anodyne-but -intricate late-90s/early-00s emo than anything contemporary. you have even less agency over what local bands you happen to see and like than cds you buy/steal/get for Christmas.

call it friend rock, boyfriend rock, classmate rock, older sibling rock...

^^^ i actually agree with this, and i think it's what i was trying to say with that (sorta glib) taking sides post

i hella listened to dave matthews band and sonic youth in high school

wasn't there an uncool cd rehabilitation scene in that recent Jenny slate movie? I like how these scenes give context and character to a song that might not have positive associations from your own life when it was on the radio. like I have fond memories lying on the carpet hearing pm dawn, but I felt I was seeking agency and authenticity when "crash" was popular and the song felt incompatible with that.

if she'd had Dig Me Out and No Fences and the Bikini Kill comp and Under the Table and Dreaming in her CD wallet, then the NYC music snob would have called her tastes "eclectic" xp

i can't fathom how this movie was rated R.

if a movie has any hint of homosexuality, it's no longer even PG-13.

the word "cunt" was said twice.

that's all I got

if i were willing to valorize dave matthews, i'd expect the ratings board to give me blanket immunity.

shoulda been listenin to Mary J Blige's "Family Affair"

semitumescent penis guys

it's rated R?????? wtf

I didn't notice the posters! Even if it is signaling taste, it's realistic & makes sense to me (Sleater-Kinney toured with Pearl Jam in the early 00s, anyone that liked Nirvana and did the most elementary research the name Bikini Kill would come up, cf. the origin of the title "Smells Like Teen Spirit"). More importantly, posters in the background =/= long scenes devoted to discussing cool music. bamcquern otm re: the boy's band

yeah I don't really know why it was Rated R. We took my 11 1/2 year old because my wife didn't want to leave him home alone and we didn't want to pay for a sitter. It was fine, he already knows about sex and just kind of hid his face in the one half-graphic scene, which really wans't any more graphic that what you see on network TV these days.

I loved this film. I grew up in Sacramento, to a point (moved when I was 8 1/2 in 1981, so quite a bit earlier) and retain some kind of nostalgia for it which this movie kind of vindicated, though it's a pretty glorified image of it, the city is certainly shit in lots of ways. I loved that they were excited for the State Fair and the log ride which was also my favorite thing when I was a kid.

this is one of the better coming of age movies I've ever seen; she very realistically straddles that stubborn awful teenage willfullness with something more mature; and I like that in the end, personally, I believe she's right; she did need to move out of Sacramento.

saw it cold, loved it, recommend it.

liked it also, yes v good re coming of age

lady bird as a character reminded some of anna pacquins character in margaret

gotta say too that the save a horse ride a cowboy tshirts @ that western party (?) made me immed think of ilx/ilm

I’m way overdue to see Brooklyn.

Alfred I should reiterate that I recall that your review you linked upthread really touched me.

Watching a movie drunk seems weird

― silby,

There's a pandemic on!

I do love Saoirse, though. A LOT.

I know the film makes her dowdy deliberately but I think she's astonishingly beautiful and she is so simpatico.

oh! Thank you! *hugs at 10 feet*

Brooklyn is old-fashioned solid-good film making and it is great and she looks incredible throughout. It has finesse.

I found it very moving, much to my surprise.

yes, I did too

and Emory Cohen is cute as fuck

yes, looked him up straight away.

He is not cute anywhere else.

his character in the novel is a perfect smouldering flame

he's kinda creepy-cute. intriguing.

I guess that's good/clever casting! xp

Christine 'Lady Bird' McPherson: Just because something looks ugly doesn't mean that it's morally wrong.

GINNI THOMAS: You think dead children aren't morally wrong?

Christine 'Lady Bird' McPherson: No. I'm just saying that, if you took up close pictures of my vagina while I was on my period, it would be disturbing but it doesn't make it wrong.