http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-brett-ratner-russell-simmons-20171119-htmlstory.html
― flappy bird, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
wow that adam shostack thing is pretty horrible.
― akm, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
And in both his case and Morgan’s you have guys who are doing their dissonant, LCK-ish thing of being public about how women deserve better and should feel less threatened in the boys’ club spaces they inhabit.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
Yeah, the people I know who know Morgan Marquise-Boire are some of the most feminist women I know :(
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 19 November 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
I feel a little stupid for feeling surprised, considering I learned about this last year: http://adamshostack.com/ and every time I bring the broader issues up with female colleagues they’re like, “yeah, duh? I’ve had the good sense to avoid the creeps.” I feel like I should have better creep radar.― El Tomboto, Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I feel like I should have better creep radar.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbh i think this is just why some creepy men are both able to get away with it and get people to lower their guard in the first place: they don't give off any creep signals, either because they're extremely good at being emotional con artists or they've convinced or fooled themselves into thinking they're not creepy men. i'll tell you, i recently discovered that a friend of mine views women in ways that certainly do not jibe with his male feminist persona, which is the one he deploys in public life and w/his close female friends.
― omar little, Sunday, 19 November 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
i agree that some women are better at creep detection it's not a matter of "duh" -- you learn to sniff them out by exposure. no "duh" about going through shit in order to be able to smell shit
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
I just meant in relation to me and my ignorance. I don’t want to describe my colleagues as lucky, that feels wrong.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
I feel like, especially in the IT space, I have known men like that Morgan guy. Men who are effusive and charming and feminist-friendly but actually massive assholes behind the scenes. The fact he was in the Auckland goth scene made me sad lol.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 19 November 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
man these stories are depressing
― Nhex, Monday, 20 November 2017 04:33 (six years ago) link
Glenn Thrush suspended amid sexual harassment complaints https://t.co/cjwdkUZ3pF— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 20, 2017
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 November 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
C/D: holding a phone in front of your face as if it were a slice of pizza
― you had better come correct (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 20 November 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link
rolling fedora 2011
― mookieproof, Monday, 20 November 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
ticks a lot of boxes that picture, it's true
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 20 November 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
I had to zoom in because I knew I recognized that lanyard design from somewhere
Footnote: Lanyards for thepress passes still have “What’syour SPIN?” imprinted on them.That initially seemed a pejorativeknock on journalists. But it’s actuallya reminder to staffers to usetheir Senate PIN numbers, whichare being swapped in for SocialSecurity numbers to reduce therisk of identity theft.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 20 November 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
JFC
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them--with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
Oh fuck, not Charlie Rose now.
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
The young women who were hired by the show were sometimes known as “Charlie’s Angels,” two former employees said. Rose frequently gave unsolicited shoulder rubs to several of them, behavior referred to among employees as “the crusty paw,” a former employee said.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
I don't quite know how to formulate the thoughts swirling through my head around all of this. It's equal parts "failure of society", "these disgusting abusers have no self-respect", "how often have I been complicit in the normalization of this type of behavior", "this doesn't have to be a natural consequence of fame and power", and "fuck all of these people to the degree commensurate to their offenses"
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 20 November 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
There is parody character of Charlie Rose in the Royal Tenenbaums (2001), and I’ve always assumed this scene was the sly explanation for why Gwyneth Paltrow only every appeared on his IRL show once (1996) pic.twitter.com/1jbfOXZv5M— Glynnis MacNicol (@GlynnMacN) November 20, 2017
― mookieproof, Monday, 20 November 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
With Charlie Rose, this finally has made me physically ill. I've been watching the guy, off and on, for 25 years.
― Sanpaku, Monday, 20 November 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
I hereby consent to the forced extinction of males
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 20 November 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
That article is well done; his producer basically confirms that he did it all.Burn it down; salt the earth btw
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
Chilling. Note the women in it who left journalism. & also, again, consider power that Rose (& regular guests, incl Halperin, including Thrush) had to shape narrative of HRC. The news here isn't just individual; it's structural:https://t.co/ylmAq4ZEgx— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) November 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
In that Vox story this boiled my blood: In the morning, Thrush sent me an apologetic email. I didn’t save it, but I recall it as similar to the one he would later send to Padró Ocasio’s friend in June. He said he was sorry, but he didn’t say for what, exactly.
A few hours later, I saw him in deep conversation with a number of men I worked with. My gut told me something was up. I worried he was covering his tracks by spreading a rosy version of the night.
I am reminded yet again of a "friend" of mine who came to my house some year back to tell me a woman had gone to the cops about him raping her. He told me he was freaed out, denied he had, told me shit like "you know I'd never do this right". This was a guy I was NOT close friends with and rarely saw, and I got the impression he'd done the rounds of multiple friends with this sob story. In the end apparently the woman in question dropped any charges but the fact she'd gone that far left me feeling he had done something really wrong. I havent been able to bring myself to talk to him properly since. I dont know what I'd say now if I did.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 20 November 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
can't say I'm at all surprised about Charlie Rose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6QKub4Fazk
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
Sadly, my inbox is already flooded with women who have had similar, disturbing encounters with Charlie Rose. My email is a✧✧.britt✧✧✧@washp✧✧✧.c✧✧ Please reach out if you have any information to share. Our reporting continues. @irin https://t.co/i8fgF8wabB— Amy Brittain (@AmyJBrittain) November 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
tbh the most interesting thing to me about all of these stories coming out is not really that they happened at all. I have a pretty low opinion of men in power in general, I guess. But what is interesting is that a new weapon is being wielded against them - whereas before the only recourse for victims was really the courts, which were hardly a sympathetic venue historically, now there's this other outlet in the court of public opinion thanks to social media and other shifts and it's having an outsize effect that no one really predicted.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
I guess the next question is, for everyone else whose harasser or assaulter isn't a celebrity or media figure, where do they tell their story?
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link
yeah that is a good question
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link
facebook it's where all stories must be told it's the law
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 00:00 (six years ago) link
nothing i can articulate yet but thinking a lot about "open secrets"... what they are, how they form, the communities of silence that form around them...
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
The refrain of Rose’s victims leaving journalism is gutwrenching... and the fiefdom he created, having ultimate hiring & firing power completely enabled all of his predatory behaviour. It’s like working at a small owner-run business with a creepy boss, you’re trapped into either going along or jumping ship
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
and Chuck raises a question i have been thinking about a lot, how to empower the employees of *any* kind of business to speak out in a collective voice against predatory acts in the workplace
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link
can't say I'm at all surprised about Charlie Rose📹
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:05 (six years ago) link
DJP your post is a good summation of what I’m grappling with but my version has a lot more falcon-cannot-hear-the-falconer shit going on and also I can’t tell which one I am.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:18 (six years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, November 20, 2017 5:52 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Monday, November 20, 2017 5:54 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, November 20, 2017 6:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark
this is exactly what i have been thinking -- how long before outing people on facebook is something people doso many men must be shitting their pants right now wondering if that girl/those girls from high school/college/way back when is/are going to say something
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:43 (six years ago) link
outing predators on facebook has been happening for the last year and a half ime
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:52 (six years ago) link
i've seen ppl come forward about stuff that has happened recently/semi-recentlyi'm talking about outing events that have heretofore been considered ancient history -- things that happened 20+ years agothe men in question are likely to be parents of young or school-aged children
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
Does that have the same job-losing/prestige-destroying effect?
I'm not on the facebooks
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:59 (six years ago) link
it could be personally devastating/deeply humiliating -- would you like to me to try and find out? (kidding, one of them is dead and neither of them have ever been on fb as long as i have been there -- i checked over and over)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link
there was a prominent member of our local theatre community who was accused by a student of being abusive, which was corroborated by an ex-lover who had been silent on FB for a while. resulted in massive furor across Central Florida but in the end, nothing really happened.
similar thing happened with another person, same result. it definitely gets people's attention, but harder to actually hit someone where they hurt when they're lower level
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:02 (six years ago) link
though, it did get people talking about it in both cases
Rose looks completely done: suspended by CBS and his show pulled by PBS
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:06 (six years ago) link
Irin Carmon on PBS News earlier saying that the story isn't done yet either.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:07 (six years ago) link
Business Insider has a completely separate piece up with stories from people not in the WaPo story:
http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-rose-accused-of-improper-behavior-by-former-interns-2017-11
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:37 (six years ago) link
I don't Facebook either and it seems wildly ill-advised to transfer the copyright in your accusatory statement to an advertising company (this is my attitude to doing almost anything on facebook tbh but surely it puts you at a legal disadvantage here)
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
Well that's assuming any legal action is even possible, much less preferable
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link
damn, charlie ;_;
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 04:02 (six years ago) link
im gonna miss his pbs show so much if it goes away, was just saying how recently hes been booking really broadly great/intersting guests
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link