Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

voice of her generation iirc

right, i mean she was a punchline from the very beginning, before Girls aired its first episode. she's certainly the most gaffe-prone voice of her generation

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/18/harvey-weinstein-secret-hitlist-sex-scandal

This is a really hard read:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/19/16675704/morgan-marquis-boire-hacker-sexual-assault

I know that guy.

Gross.

Marquis-Boire was a prolific speaker at security and human rights conferences, including the Aspen Ideas Festival in 2016. He sometimes used his considerable public platform to talk about the larger social problem of violence against women, and even stated that it motivated his recent work at Citizen Lab researching “stalkerware” or “spouseware” — spyware deployed against abused partners by their abusers. (In April 2017, he told Motherboard that he thought spouseware should receive more attention because it was common and widespread, and "the victims are everyday people.") Many of his best friends were women. He made casual, light-hearted jokes about misandry on Twitter.

In short, Marquis-Boire was supposed to be one of the good guys.

jesus what a fucking creep

Yeah. ugh.

I feel a little stupid for feeling surprised, considering I learned about this last year: http://adamshostack.com/ and every time I bring the broader issues up with female colleagues they’re like, “yeah, duh? I’ve had the good sense to avoid the creeps.”

I feel like I should have better creep radar.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-brett-ratner-russell-simmons-20171119-htmlstory.html

wow that adam shostack thing is pretty horrible.

And in both his case and Morgan’s you have guys who are doing their dissonant, LCK-ish thing of being public about how women deserve better and should feel less threatened in the boys’ club spaces they inhabit.

Yeah, the people I know who know Morgan Marquise-Boire are some of the most feminist women I know :(

I feel a little stupid for feeling surprised, considering I learned about this last year: http://adamshostack.com/ and every time I bring the broader issues up with female colleagues they’re like, “yeah, duh? I’ve had the good sense to avoid the creeps.”

I feel like I should have better creep radar.

― El Tomboto, Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbh i think this is just why some creepy men are both able to get away with it and get people to lower their guard in the first place: they don't give off any creep signals, either because they're extremely good at being emotional con artists or they've convinced or fooled themselves into thinking they're not creepy men. i'll tell you, i recently discovered that a friend of mine views women in ways that certainly do not jibe with his male feminist persona, which is the one he deploys in public life and w/his close female friends.

i agree that some women are better at creep detection it's not a matter of "duh" -- you learn to sniff them out by exposure. no "duh" about going through shit in order to be able to smell shit

I just meant in relation to me and my ignorance. I don’t want to describe my colleagues as lucky, that feels wrong.

I feel like, especially in the IT space, I have known men like that Morgan guy. Men who are effusive and charming and feminist-friendly but actually massive assholes behind the scenes. The fact he was in the Auckland goth scene made me sad lol.

man these stories are depressing

Glenn Thrush suspended amid sexual harassment complaints https://t.co/cjwdkUZ3pF

— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 20, 2017

C/D: holding a phone in front of your face as if it were a slice of pizza

rolling fedora 2011

ticks a lot of boxes that picture, it's true

I had to zoom in because I knew I recognized that lanyard design from somewhere

Footnote: Lanyards for the
press passes still have “What’s
your SPIN?” imprinted on them.
That initially seemed a pejorative
knock on journalists. But it’s actually
a reminder to staffers to use
their Senate PIN numbers, which
are being swapped in for Social
Security numbers to reduce the
risk of identity theft.

JFC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them--with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html

Oh fuck, not Charlie Rose now.

The young women who were hired by the show were sometimes known as “Charlie’s Angels,” two former employees said. Rose frequently gave unsolicited shoulder rubs to several of them, behavior referred to among employees as “the crusty paw,” a former employee said.

I don't quite know how to formulate the thoughts swirling through my head around all of this. It's equal parts "failure of society", "these disgusting abusers have no self-respect", "how often have I been complicit in the normalization of this type of behavior", "this doesn't have to be a natural consequence of fame and power", and "fuck all of these people to the degree commensurate to their offenses"

There is parody character of Charlie Rose in the Royal Tenenbaums (2001), and I’ve always assumed this scene was the sly explanation for why Gwyneth Paltrow only every appeared on his IRL show once (1996) pic.twitter.com/1jbfOXZv5M

— Glynnis MacNicol (@GlynnMacN) November 20, 2017

With Charlie Rose, this finally has made me physically ill. I've been watching the guy, off and on, for 25 years.

I hereby consent to the forced extinction of males

That article is well done; his producer basically confirms that he did it all.

Burn it down; salt the earth btw

Chilling. Note the women in it who left journalism. & also, again, consider power that Rose (& regular guests, incl Halperin, including Thrush) had to shape narrative of HRC. The news here isn't just individual; it's structural:https://t.co/ylmAq4ZEgx

— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) November 20, 2017

In that Vox story this boiled my blood:
In the morning, Thrush sent me an apologetic email. I didn’t save it, but I recall it as similar to the one he would later send to Padró Ocasio’s friend in June. He said he was sorry, but he didn’t say for what, exactly.

A few hours later, I saw him in deep conversation with a number of men I worked with. My gut told me something was up. I worried he was covering his tracks by spreading a rosy version of the night.

I am reminded yet again of a "friend" of mine who came to my house some year back to tell me a woman had gone to the cops about him raping her. He told me he was freaed out, denied he had, told me shit like "you know I'd never do this right". This was a guy I was NOT close friends with and rarely saw, and I got the impression he'd done the rounds of multiple friends with this sob story. In the end apparently the woman in question dropped any charges but the fact she'd gone that far left me feeling he had done something really wrong. I havent been able to bring myself to talk to him properly since. I dont know what I'd say now if I did.

can't say I'm at all surprised about Charlie Rose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6QKub4Fazk

Sadly, my inbox is already flooded with women who have had similar, disturbing encounters with Charlie Rose. My email is a✧✧.britt✧✧✧@washp✧✧✧.c✧✧ Please reach out if you have any information to share. Our reporting continues. @irin https://t.co/i8fgF8wabB

— Amy Brittain (@AmyJBrittain) November 20, 2017

tbh the most interesting thing to me about all of these stories coming out is not really that they happened at all. I have a pretty low opinion of men in power in general, I guess. But what is interesting is that a new weapon is being wielded against them - whereas before the only recourse for victims was really the courts, which were hardly a sympathetic venue historically, now there's this other outlet in the court of public opinion thanks to social media and other shifts and it's having an outsize effect that no one really predicted.

I guess the next question is, for everyone else whose harasser or assaulter isn't a celebrity or media figure, where do they tell their story?

yeah that is a good question

facebook it's where all stories must be told it's the law

nothing i can articulate yet but thinking a lot about "open secrets"... what they are, how they form, the communities of silence that form around them...

The refrain of Rose’s victims leaving journalism is gutwrenching... and the fiefdom he created, having ultimate hiring & firing power completely enabled all of his predatory behaviour. It’s like working at a small owner-run business with a creepy boss, you’re trapped into either going along or jumping ship

and Chuck raises a question i have been thinking about a lot, how to empower the employees of *any* kind of business to speak out in a collective voice against predatory acts in the workplace

can't say I'm at all surprised about Charlie Rose

📹

DJP your post is a good summation of what I’m grappling with but my version has a lot more falcon-cannot-hear-the-falconer shit going on and also I can’t tell which one I am.

I guess the next question is, for everyone else whose harasser or assaulter isn't a celebrity or media figure, where do they tell their story?

I guess the next question is, for everyone else whose harasser or assaulter isn't a celebrity or media figure, where do they tell their story?

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, November 20, 2017 5:52 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that is a good question

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 20, 2017 5:54 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

facebook it's where all stories must be told it's the law

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, November 20, 2017 6:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

this is exactly what i have been thinking -- how long before outing people on facebook is something people do
so many men must be shitting their pants right now wondering if that girl/those girls from high school/college/way back when is/are going to say something

outing predators on facebook has been happening for the last year and a half ime

i've seen ppl come forward about stuff that has happened recently/semi-recently
i'm talking about outing events that have heretofore been considered ancient history -- things that happened 20+ years ago
the men in question are likely to be parents of young or school-aged children

Does that have the same job-losing/prestige-destroying effect?

I'm not on the facebooks