BBWAA awards 2017

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Clutch hitting was a big part of why I thought Votto should have won the MVP this year

timellison, Saturday, 18 November 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link

there are flukes in hockey, but not enough to win mvp. rob brown scoring 49 goals with an incredible 29% shooting percentage in 1989 comes to mind -- but he did that because he was on lemieux's line. and lemieux himself went 85-114-199. the great ones can give average/mediocre players a huge boost, but the latter will never overtake them

pitching and goaltending seem to be more prone to flukes. feel for the slider comes and goes, i guess

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 November 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link

More evidence of the changing mindset of voters: this year's NL CY Young was only the second time a pitcher who led his league in both wins and ERA did not win (and the other time it went to Willie Hernandez during the we-love-closers era, so in a sense 2017 was the first time):

http://www.billjamesonline.com/2017_nl_cy_young_award/

Marks attributes the key to being IP; if Kershaw had won he would have also set a precedent, the lowest IP for a non-closer, non-strike-year winner ever. He also suggests H/9, but I don't know how much attention voters pay to that these days; I'd say the strikeouts were much more important (Marks mentions those too). There's a little bit on Scherzer and the HOF at the end, where he says pretty much what most of us have been saying here.

clemenza, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link

Posnanski's response to James's piece:

http://joeposnanski.com/more-on-war/

(I believe they're friends, and Posnanski always writes favorably about James.)

clemenza, Sunday, 19 November 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link

Doddering old guy makes the case for Charlie Blackmon (and, by implication, Arenado):

http://www.billjamesonline.com/mvp_followup/

clemenza, Monday, 20 November 2017 12:27 (six years ago) link

I hardly think the consideration of Pythagorean win-loss in James' article was being suggested as a "simple proposed fix." It was just illustrating a point.

timellison, Monday, 20 November 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link

Players have flukey great seasons all the time, for example, because of a high BABIP that never levels out, even though it should, probabilistically speaking.

Are we also allowing for the possibility that a high BABIP over the course of a season is not always flukey, though, in the way that Joey Votto's high lifetime BABIP is presumably not flukey? (I know this post was from three days ago...)

timellison, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link


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