David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

I just wanted to say I really like Jonathan Groff. His character on Looking is the reason why. And it's because of him that I've started watching Mindhunter

is he *ever* shown without a suit? I remember him taking off shirt once (when he couldn't have sex) but that's it. odd conceit

I liked this! but yeah the Debbie character was a bit bizarre, just someone for him to talk at and who would ask the 'right' questions to enlighten the audience

I didn't know anything about this going in nor the source material so it mainly made sense in the last couple of episodes where they did the whole 'we need some kind of terminology to describe these people who do a series of murders'. But yes I am glad it wasn't too gorey and the small-town cops weren't dumb. I'm watching Stranger Things at the same time and occasionally mixing up threads.

My burning question after (nearly) finishing this show: all that cigarette smoke - was it cgi?

What’s with Wendy and the cat?

tbh idk either. someone itt suggested it was metaphor i think

P sure the cat is a serial mousehunter

Wendy as surrogate mother merely leaves some food and retreats up the stairs, ignoring plaintive meows

Tench is the man.

Lots of great little asides in this. Episode 4 -- noticing how well Tench initially predicts the ultimate outcome and how far afield Holden is. Also when Rissell crushes the can suddenly after finishing it and asks, "why do we do that when we're done?" I forget Holden's response but I liked Rissell's "Maybe..." reply to it.

Also this show made me recognize the narcissistic and borderline (imo) B.B. low-level socially (as opposed to murderous) psychopathic behavior of a couple we know and it put the fear into me. Not going to talk about it here but if there's ever a relevant thread maybe I would.

Psychopaths (Adult and Otherwise) ??

Tench is the anchor, the fulcrum

Have to say, ep 8 is really weak with the tickling bs as is 9 with needless relationship drama. Netflix : just make the season 8 eps instead of 10 if you’ve run out of pertinent plot points.

Series needs more of tench on the links, in bunkers as a metaphor

Exposition is clumsy and tiresome but it hits nice beats and looks, sounds and feels so damn good

There was at least one shot of Tench on the course, need more info, handicap etc.

There was something really off about all the drama surrounding the oversight committee and who-surrendered-the-tape. It's school marmy bureaucratic crap which any sensible person would only rtde at, instead the whole team takes it so seriously!

thanks Mordy! might be posting on that soon...

i think the tickling bs is kind of interesting in how it's an inappropriate situation but at the same time a potentially inappropriate use of this new pathology, a bit of an overreach, and involves what are hinted at to be internal school staff politics. it's not that the principal is correct but it's that the FBI is a bit of a blunt instrument, and Holden is power-tripping a bit maybe.

the relationship stuff doesn't bother me...i don't know what'll happen next season but maybe that's the last we see of Debbie?

I don’t think Holden is power tripping as much as he’s convinced he’s unlocked something that will save all these people, including tickling victims. It’s a different kind of arrogance.

I wish there was more internal FBI politicking but of course I would. I did enjoy that we got basically one scene on the uselessness of Boston ivory tower types before the writers got bored and just had Wendy move to DC.

Yeah relationship trouble for the sake of relationship trouble just seems predicable.

Ten Years Gone? wtf

never heard LZ in a TV show and I hope I never will again

Yeah relationship trouble for the sake of relationship trouble just seems predicable.

― calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 20:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This holds true irl for about 90% of attempted relationships afaict

The LZ track is "In the Light"

I wish there was more internal FBI politicking but of course I would.

Try "Manhunt: Unabomber."

yeaahhhh i mean you’re not wrong, but it’s also pretty corny.

It is, but that show does a great job of communicating what you need hardass bureaucrats for (tactics, getting things done) and what their limitations are (strategy, getting the right things done). Mindhunter is the better show in every other respect.

Surprised veggrrl has not commented on the fact that the writer of the show, who grew up in Australia (Adelaide), named his main character 'Holden Ford'.

oh i made note of this on FB to my aussie friends, it seriously took me out of the first episode

it’s like naming your kid Coke Pepsi
PICK A SIDE

maybe the writer really likes Hitchhiker’s Guide

https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/mindhunter-s1-ep3-02.gif?w=618&h=278

I keep forgetting to ask this! Does Hannah Gross (who plays Holden's gf Debbie) remind anyone of another actor? She does, to me, so very much! Is it Darlene from Roseanne (Sarah Gilbert)? Something in the mannerisms or facial expression or vocal tics or accent idk?

not sure, but I only recently found out she's the daughter of paul gross and martha burns

She reminds me of Maggie Siff (from mad men and sons of anarchy) and Julianna Margulies.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1111968/?ref_=tt_cl_t1 was who she reminded me of, although it took me a while to place it

that is, Alexa Davalos who plays a lead role on amazon's Man in the High Castle show

Yep

she kinda reminds me of daria

Spotted Tench dude as a two-bit villain foiled by Batman in Justice League.

She reminds me of Debra in Dexter but that might be the hair and the name

yeah she def reminds me of Julia in Man in High Castle

I kept thinking “is that the same... wait, no. maybe?”

Love this show

Posts at the top of the thread about Debbie really wide of the mark (not sure if someone addressed this yet as I’m catching up on the thread but the connection between attitudes toward women of serial killers and non killlers is well illustrated ... and surely fincher, the director of “gone girl,” would be aware of the “cool girl” archetype? Lol)

Have to say, ep 8 is really weak with the tickling bs as is 9 with needless relationship drama. Netflix : just make the season 8 eps instead of 10 if you’ve run out of pertinent plot points.

― calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 00:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

its not 'needless' the relationship drama is very much essential imo, though they haven't fully made the connection it creates a counterpoint to the continuum of male sexual violence imo

i like the Debbie character, i agree on some of the criticisms of her character being wide of the mark. i actually love their first meeting a lot, i like the whole R-rated Bogie/Bacall banter in the bar.

i think she works as a way of underlining the way his work is affecting his personality, through his changes in behaviour towards her over time

i mean by the time they break up, even the way he looks at her let alone speaks to her, it’s like he’s gone dead inside, it’s so eerie

I think, like a lot of the shifts in relationships/behaviours throughout, it's handled pretty clumsily and in a this-needs-to-happen-now kind of way

But it was a lovely thing at the start

yes plus i think his treatment of her is in line with his entire M.O. of being right the whole time and being caught up in his own analytical head.

i don't find her especially unrealistic tbh, not any moreso than anyone else on the show.

i know there’s a better way to put it but it’s like she’s the canary in the coalmine to know that he’s lost himself in his job

I think it works on the obvious level of him not spending as much time on his relationship as he does his work, but it’s also about how the work has made clear how complicated his relationship w her is; I think, he’s recognizing how much of the shit he’s dealing w at work is a logical extension of the beliefs of men generally in their relationships w women

maybe that’s not the intent but imo it’s the effect, and it’s what makes this about everything & not just some niche criminal interest