Mad Men producer supports writer's account of Matt Weiner harassment
http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/marti-noxon-calls-matthew-weiner-an-emotional-terrorist.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
https://adequateman.deadspin.com/shitty-male-apologies-from-this-news-cycle-ranked-1820550283
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
Legitimately curious, did anyone accused have a "good" apology?
― Evan, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
Taibbi's was better than the ones listed, i thought
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
good apology probably starts at self-castration
― imago, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
i missed the Richard Dreyfuss thing (his son's account re Spacey groping him makes this ... ohnevermind)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
The whole apology thing is weird. Are people expecting apologies to make everything right? An apology won't undo anything. Pretty much the most you can expect is a person to admit they did something wrong and promise not to do it again.
― silverfish, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
I hope, sometime in the future when sexual harassment no longer exists, we have a similar conversation about non-sexual workplace harassment and office toxicity in general. Those problems also cause scars. In Weiner's case, there seems to be a (dumb, pointless) argument about whether he's a sexual harasser or "just" an asshole manager. But asshole managers ruin lives too.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 November 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
i would imagine there's a bit more motivation to push back against general asshole behavior in the office in the wake of all this.
― omar little, Friday, 17 November 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
Not enough.
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Friday, 17 November 2017 22:17 (six years ago) link
i like greil a lot but his last few responses about clinton have been extremely frustrating
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 17 November 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
Noxon pretty credible in that backup statement re: Weiner.
Dunham getting loads of shit for supporting a writer on Girls over an accusor. The pile-ons are starting to wear on me. Maybe Dunham is in the wrong; on the other hand, it sounds like the dude has an awful lot of supporters on that show. Could people maybe take a breath before setting everyone on fire?
― akm, Saturday, 18 November 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
Dunham has been trash tho
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Saturday, 18 November 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
Yeah, and the fact that she doesn't believe the word of a black woman is the least surprising thing ever.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
I mean, know your own blind spots. If you have proof that makes you believe the woman is lying, say what they are. Dunham's statement was crap.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
she could have reached out to him privately; she could have said nothing at all. she could learn to read a fucking room
― Simon H., Saturday, 18 November 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
Yes calling women trash is obvs the way forward on a sexual assault thread
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 18 November 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link
Lena Dunham is an exception because ... wait I had it written down here somewhere ...
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 18 November 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
Dunham has admitted to abuse against her sister
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Sunday, 19 November 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
What this series of accusations needed, really needed, above all else, is Morrissey's opinion on the matter.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 19 November 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
We need to get back to just burning it all down.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 19 November 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link
none of us know what happened. maybe dunham and konner know more- they said as much. the correct move in this situation is to say nothing. simon otm, dunham is just mind-bogglingly tin-eared, even if this is "mis-reported," wow, holy fucking shit, why would you ever jump the gun and make a statement like that when the optics are so bad, especially in this cultural climate. has she ever uttered the words "no comment"? again, they could be wrong, the guy could be guilty, but what's the rush in making a statement? it doesn't help his reputation or clear his name. it makes them and the guy they're supporting look really, really bad.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 19 November 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
voice of her generation iirc
― j., Sunday, 19 November 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
right, i mean she was a punchline from the very beginning, before Girls aired its first episode. she's certainly the most gaffe-prone voice of her generation
― flappy bird, Sunday, 19 November 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/18/harvey-weinstein-secret-hitlist-sex-scandal
― StanM, Sunday, 19 November 2017 10:04 (six years ago) link
This is a really hard read:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/19/16675704/morgan-marquis-boire-hacker-sexual-assault
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
I know that guy.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
Gross.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
Marquis-Boire was a prolific speaker at security and human rights conferences, including the Aspen Ideas Festival in 2016. He sometimes used his considerable public platform to talk about the larger social problem of violence against women, and even stated that it motivated his recent work at Citizen Lab researching “stalkerware” or “spouseware” — spyware deployed against abused partners by their abusers. (In April 2017, he told Motherboard that he thought spouseware should receive more attention because it was common and widespread, and "the victims are everyday people.") Many of his best friends were women. He made casual, light-hearted jokes about misandry on Twitter.In short, Marquis-Boire was supposed to be one of the good guys.
In short, Marquis-Boire was supposed to be one of the good guys.
jesus what a fucking creep
― It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
Yeah. ugh.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
I feel a little stupid for feeling surprised, considering I learned about this last year: http://adamshostack.com/ and every time I bring the broader issues up with female colleagues they’re like, “yeah, duh? I’ve had the good sense to avoid the creeps.” I feel like I should have better creep radar.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-brett-ratner-russell-simmons-20171119-htmlstory.html
wow that adam shostack thing is pretty horrible.
― akm, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
And in both his case and Morgan’s you have guys who are doing their dissonant, LCK-ish thing of being public about how women deserve better and should feel less threatened in the boys’ club spaces they inhabit.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
Yeah, the people I know who know Morgan Marquise-Boire are some of the most feminist women I know :(
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 19 November 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
I feel a little stupid for feeling surprised, considering I learned about this last year: http://adamshostack.com/ and every time I bring the broader issues up with female colleagues they’re like, “yeah, duh? I’ve had the good sense to avoid the creeps.” I feel like I should have better creep radar.― El Tomboto, Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I feel like I should have better creep radar.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbh i think this is just why some creepy men are both able to get away with it and get people to lower their guard in the first place: they don't give off any creep signals, either because they're extremely good at being emotional con artists or they've convinced or fooled themselves into thinking they're not creepy men. i'll tell you, i recently discovered that a friend of mine views women in ways that certainly do not jibe with his male feminist persona, which is the one he deploys in public life and w/his close female friends.
― omar little, Sunday, 19 November 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
i agree that some women are better at creep detection it's not a matter of "duh" -- you learn to sniff them out by exposure. no "duh" about going through shit in order to be able to smell shit
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
I just meant in relation to me and my ignorance. I don’t want to describe my colleagues as lucky, that feels wrong.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
I feel like, especially in the IT space, I have known men like that Morgan guy. Men who are effusive and charming and feminist-friendly but actually massive assholes behind the scenes. The fact he was in the Auckland goth scene made me sad lol.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 19 November 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
man these stories are depressing
― Nhex, Monday, 20 November 2017 04:33 (six years ago) link
Glenn Thrush suspended amid sexual harassment complaints https://t.co/cjwdkUZ3pF— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 20, 2017
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 November 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
C/D: holding a phone in front of your face as if it were a slice of pizza
― you had better come correct (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 20 November 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link
rolling fedora 2011
― mookieproof, Monday, 20 November 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
ticks a lot of boxes that picture, it's true
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 20 November 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
I had to zoom in because I knew I recognized that lanyard design from somewhere
Footnote: Lanyards for thepress passes still have “What’syour SPIN?” imprinted on them.That initially seemed a pejorativeknock on journalists. But it’s actuallya reminder to staffers to usetheir Senate PIN numbers, whichare being swapped in for SocialSecurity numbers to reduce therisk of identity theft.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 20 November 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
JFC
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them--with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
Oh fuck, not Charlie Rose now.
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
The young women who were hired by the show were sometimes known as “Charlie’s Angels,” two former employees said. Rose frequently gave unsolicited shoulder rubs to several of them, behavior referred to among employees as “the crusty paw,” a former employee said.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
I don't quite know how to formulate the thoughts swirling through my head around all of this. It's equal parts "failure of society", "these disgusting abusers have no self-respect", "how often have I been complicit in the normalization of this type of behavior", "this doesn't have to be a natural consequence of fame and power", and "fuck all of these people to the degree commensurate to their offenses"
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 20 November 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link