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With Bill Clinton, I think there is, suddenly, a rush to judgment, right now, to let no stone go unturned. I think it ought to be remembered that the accusations against him by the women Donald Trump was able to sign up, if not pay off, to counter the scandal over his taped bragging that he could and as a matter of course did get away with anything, and I think more important to him than countering any scandal, to humiliate Hillary Clinton before the second presidential debate last year, either to throw her off or, I believe, just for the pleasure of humiliating her, have to be seen (I realize that this is an absurdly convoluted sentence, but I think it scans, so please bear with me) in the context of, it not part of, the enormous scandal-machine, the accurately described vast right-wing conspiracy, to destroy Bill Clinton. Remember the Clinton hit lists, the body-counts, which claimed more than twenty murders on the part of the Clintons during Bill Clinton’s years as governor of Arkansas and after? Remember that much of what has been said by Clinton’s accusers—and Monica Lewinsky was not an accuser—fits perfectly with the narrative that had been constructed before they came, or were brought forward, and that the word narrative, in political use if not standard definition, means constructed, which is to say false, story? Some people find the sexual harassment and worse described by Kathleen Wiley credible. Do her claims that the Clintons had not only her husband but her pet killed buttress the credibility of her sexual accusations or, you know, make you laugh?

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what an asshole

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^ my favorite mid '70s Bowie song

Another. Also, the first big name from Vice.

http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/vice-jason-mojica-suspended-sexual-harassment-1202617460/

Jeffrey Tambor: I am "volatile," but not a predator

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/jeffrey-tambor-admits-flaws-following-harassment-claims.html

Mad Men producer supports writer's account of Matt Weiner harassment

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/marti-noxon-calls-matthew-weiner-an-emotional-terrorist.html

https://adequateman.deadspin.com/shitty-male-apologies-from-this-news-cycle-ranked-1820550283

Legitimately curious, did anyone accused have a "good" apology?

Taibbi's was better than the ones listed, i thought

good apology probably starts at self-castration

i missed the Richard Dreyfuss thing (his son's account re Spacey groping him makes this ... ohnevermind)

The whole apology thing is weird. Are people expecting apologies to make everything right? An apology won't undo anything. Pretty much the most you can expect is a person to admit they did something wrong and promise not to do it again.

I hope, sometime in the future when sexual harassment no longer exists, we have a similar conversation about non-sexual workplace harassment and office toxicity in general. Those problems also cause scars. In Weiner's case, there seems to be a (dumb, pointless) argument about whether he's a sexual harasser or "just" an asshole manager. But asshole managers ruin lives too.

i would imagine there's a bit more motivation to push back against general asshole behavior in the office in the wake of all this.

Not enough.

i like greil a lot but his last few responses about clinton have been extremely frustrating

Noxon pretty credible in that backup statement re: Weiner.

Dunham getting loads of shit for supporting a writer on Girls over an accusor. The pile-ons are starting to wear on me. Maybe Dunham is in the wrong; on the other hand, it sounds like the dude has an awful lot of supporters on that show. Could people maybe take a breath before setting everyone on fire?

Dunham has been trash tho

Yeah, and the fact that she doesn't believe the word of a black woman is the least surprising thing ever.

I mean, know your own blind spots. If you have proof that makes you believe the woman is lying, say what they are. Dunham's statement was crap.

she could have reached out to him privately; she could have said nothing at all. she could learn to read a fucking room

Yes calling women trash is obvs the way forward on a sexual assault thread

Lena Dunham is an exception because ... wait I had it written down here somewhere ...

Dunham has admitted to abuse against her sister

What this series of accusations needed, really needed, above all else, is Morrissey's opinion on the matter.

We need to get back to just burning it all down.

none of us know what happened. maybe dunham and konner know more- they said as much. the correct move in this situation is to say nothing. simon otm, dunham is just mind-bogglingly tin-eared, even if this is "mis-reported," wow, holy fucking shit, why would you ever jump the gun and make a statement like that when the optics are so bad, especially in this cultural climate. has she ever uttered the words "no comment"? again, they could be wrong, the guy could be guilty, but what's the rush in making a statement? it doesn't help his reputation or clear his name. it makes them and the guy they're supporting look really, really bad.

voice of her generation iirc

right, i mean she was a punchline from the very beginning, before Girls aired its first episode. she's certainly the most gaffe-prone voice of her generation

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/18/harvey-weinstein-secret-hitlist-sex-scandal

This is a really hard read:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/19/16675704/morgan-marquis-boire-hacker-sexual-assault

I know that guy.

Gross.

Marquis-Boire was a prolific speaker at security and human rights conferences, including the Aspen Ideas Festival in 2016. He sometimes used his considerable public platform to talk about the larger social problem of violence against women, and even stated that it motivated his recent work at Citizen Lab researching “stalkerware” or “spouseware” — spyware deployed against abused partners by their abusers. (In April 2017, he told Motherboard that he thought spouseware should receive more attention because it was common and widespread, and "the victims are everyday people.") Many of his best friends were women. He made casual, light-hearted jokes about misandry on Twitter.

In short, Marquis-Boire was supposed to be one of the good guys.

jesus what a fucking creep

Yeah. ugh.

I feel a little stupid for feeling surprised, considering I learned about this last year: http://adamshostack.com/ and every time I bring the broader issues up with female colleagues they’re like, “yeah, duh? I’ve had the good sense to avoid the creeps.”

I feel like I should have better creep radar.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-brett-ratner-russell-simmons-20171119-htmlstory.html

wow that adam shostack thing is pretty horrible.

And in both his case and Morgan’s you have guys who are doing their dissonant, LCK-ish thing of being public about how women deserve better and should feel less threatened in the boys’ club spaces they inhabit.

Yeah, the people I know who know Morgan Marquise-Boire are some of the most feminist women I know :(

I feel a little stupid for feeling surprised, considering I learned about this last year: http://adamshostack.com/ and every time I bring the broader issues up with female colleagues they’re like, “yeah, duh? I’ve had the good sense to avoid the creeps.”

I feel like I should have better creep radar.

― El Tomboto, Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbh i think this is just why some creepy men are both able to get away with it and get people to lower their guard in the first place: they don't give off any creep signals, either because they're extremely good at being emotional con artists or they've convinced or fooled themselves into thinking they're not creepy men. i'll tell you, i recently discovered that a friend of mine views women in ways that certainly do not jibe with his male feminist persona, which is the one he deploys in public life and w/his close female friends.

i agree that some women are better at creep detection it's not a matter of "duh" -- you learn to sniff them out by exposure. no "duh" about going through shit in order to be able to smell shit

I just meant in relation to me and my ignorance. I don’t want to describe my colleagues as lucky, that feels wrong.

I feel like, especially in the IT space, I have known men like that Morgan guy. Men who are effusive and charming and feminist-friendly but actually massive assholes behind the scenes. The fact he was in the Auckland goth scene made me sad lol.

man these stories are depressing

Glenn Thrush suspended amid sexual harassment complaints https://t.co/cjwdkUZ3pF

— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 20, 2017