I think the number of people who are so fortunate that they can actually use their work as a truly therapeutic outlet is vanishingly small. It seems like a very American thing to believe that you can achieve absolution through hard work.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
therapeutic benefits of work different from absolution.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
As a less volatile example, I thought the long Louie scene with Dane Cook worked on a bunch of levels. There had been the rumors about Dane Cook stealing CK's jokes, and so to have all of that aired on a scene - directed and written by CK! - was compelling. He had to write Cook's position on the situation in such a way that Cook would agree to play himself and say those words. That kind of thing is just fascinating, as much as it is now tainted by the new context to the maker overall.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
i keep thinking of that first scene - was it the very first scene of the very first show? - where he unleashes on the woman who is talking during his set. its a pretty verbally violent scene.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
it was not the very first scene but it was pretty early on. also afterwards she confronts him about it, in a scene I don't recall being all that convincing
― Simon H., Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
i stopped watching the show when i got to that scene. which i think is in the 4th or 5th episode. he calls her a cunt. says he hopes someone puts a dick in her face and gives her aids. says her dad was a homeless chinese man or something weird like that. then afterwards when she confronts him she starts to coming round to him, like she almost ends up being into him. i was just like "jesus christ this is the show that everyone watches?"
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
it's like, the child molesting humor works because it's so over the top that any sane person could understand louie's not serious. but following a woman to her home after she's said repeatedly that she's not interested... it's too real. even if it's meant to be taking the piss, i don't like it. i wanted the scene outside the building to end with the woman telling louie "you're not gonna get what you want." i hated the punchline, that he did get what he wanted, from some other woman who fit the bill.
― diurnal eternal falafel (get bent), Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:07 AM (seven years ago)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
xp: its in episode 6. That's where I got off the Louis C.K. boat as well. It's worth mentioning that I was watching this with my wife ("Come on honey, it's this show everyone says I'll like...") and she really enjoyed the first 5 episodes, but when we got to that scene it was like she had been slapped in the face.
― how's life, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
― how's life, Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:13 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this was my experience exactly except it was my wife's idea to watch the show
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
that scene and the Pamela incident in (late s4?) were probably the ickiest. the aforementioned episode with yvonne strahovski where he hits her in the face was so obviously dreamlike/unreal that it didn't register for me in the same way
― Simon H., Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
i wish i could say i disliked the show for these problematic reasons but i just found it boring, in the way that saying 'interesting' means boring
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
loved the last comedy special, though
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
i can't remember what people said about that scene with melissa leo in the truck. probably talk about it on this thread.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
i didn't like the last special at all.
both his and chapelle's last specials on netflix were blehhhh to me. like they were tired. or their stuff was tired.
I never saw any of these problematic episodes. I just watched it a couple of times and thought "heh, okay" and then never came back to it.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
i haven't seen those episodes in forever, but a main character in a tv show doing shitty things does not mean the message is "these things are cool and ok".
― circa1916, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
yes the serial sexual offender louis ck was making a point about misogyny with those scenes
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
I mean... it is actually possible to condemn and speak poorly about behavior that you yourself exhibit. Literally everyone does it, just not on this scale.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
― circa1916, Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
def & i look askance at some of the criticism that seems to lack this self awareness but at the same time this has recontextualizes bits that id interpreted one way as having different resonances now
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
the one louie i saw that i really didn't like was the scary one with michael rapaport. maybe because michael rapaport is just scary. and gross. and he scared lili taylor. and he defends chris brown. so, yeah, that episode was my least favorite.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
yes the serial sexual offender louis ck was making a point about misogyny with those scenes― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:30 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:30 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean, dude HAS made points about misogyny in the past, yeah. didn't say he wasn't a horrible hypocrite and that these revelations recontexualize things (as D-40 said) significantly.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
I can't help but feel there's going to be a lot of awkwardness at this this year:
https://www.sfsketchfest.com/2018-lineup/
There's a _Better Things_ discussion Adlon and others will be at.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
what I've seen of s2 of Better Things has been fantastic. I'd be surprised if CK didn't stay on as an uncredited collaborator.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRzs7v0do_Q
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
Here is an example of just one of many many tweets I'm getting from men along with countless threats and attacks on me as a performer and person. This is what coming forward gets you and exactly why people are so reluctant to do so. pic.twitter.com/BYLEUQSpCi— Rebecca Corry (@TheRebeccaCorry) November 15, 2017
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpv9Btg0xeE
Annie Trinity2 years agoThis is Louis CK. He spent most of his routines saying racist things, pretending to masturbate in public, and discussing in depth the mechanics of molesting animals. He was our most brilliant comedian.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 16 November 2017 00:05 (six years ago) link
3.5-star review of ILYD
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/i-love-you-daddy
(I have at least one or two critic friends who liked it)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 November 2017 03:40 (six years ago) link
better things can go eat it too. who cares? end all shows about rich famous white people and their stupid rich famous white people problems that louie loves making so much.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:11 (six years ago) link
can we keep Citizen Kane tho? doesn't sound like it
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:14 (six years ago) link
Nope, LCK's favorite movie.
― nickn, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:19 (six years ago) link
end all shows about rich famous white people and their stupid rich famous white people problems
RIP TV, 1928-2017
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:38 (six years ago) link
BT is primarily Adlon's vehicle, I expect it to keep going.
― Simon H., Thursday, 16 November 2017 05:14 (six years ago) link
maybe because michael rapaport is just scary. and gross. and he scared lili taylor. and he defends chris brown
Wait, in the show, or in real life? Not that I have posters of Michael Rapaport around my house or anything, but I always thought he was alright.
― trishyb, Thursday, 16 November 2017 10:03 (six years ago) link
the other day i found out he has a podcast with like 200 episodes wtf
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 10:03 (six years ago) link
no wtf is someone else I think
― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Thursday, 16 November 2017 10:05 (six years ago) link
guilty lol
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Thursday, 16 November 2017 10:46 (six years ago) link
trying to imagine a person with Michael Rapaport posters all around their house.
like, dreamy soft-focus Tiger Beat-style foldout posters where you can still see the creases and he's like reclining on a leopard-print chaise
― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 November 2017 11:58 (six years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7b/c4/83/7bc483c993b0ed865d1a8f1fd0d2e561.jpg
― trishyb, Thursday, 16 November 2017 12:58 (six years ago) link
Anti-Rappaport fans have this posted instead:
https://scdn.nflximg.net/images/2261/2272261.jpg
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 November 2017 13:20 (six years ago) link
All I know about Michael Rappaport's personally life is that he was Natasha Lyonne's landlord and had to evict her and recently had a podcast beef with Bill Burr.
― how's life, Thursday, 16 November 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
"Wait, in the show, or in real life?"
http://www.eonline.com/news/36433/michael-rapaport-sentenced-for-harassment
"Rapaport responded: “Obviously, nobody supports beating women. OK. This guy has obviously suffered, you see all the trouble he has and all the trouble that surrounds him. He’s definitely dealing with some s–t and dealing with his own personal demons."
https://www.thewrap.com/aziz-ansari-snl-monologue-michael-rapaport-chris-brown-donald-trump/
― scott seward, Thursday, 16 November 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
the rest of that quote is fucking horrifying too. what a douche.
― akm, Thursday, 16 November 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link
more like crapaport, amirite
― loretta swit happens (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 November 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
jeez that "white girl" comment really takes the cake
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
literally every sentence of that is worse than the last
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
http://deadline.com/2017/12/louis-c-k-buying-i-love-you-daddy-back-from-the-orchard-sexual-misconduct-scandal-1202222771/
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 9 December 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
louie still got that paper
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 December 2017 02:04 (six years ago) link
The smart move would be to distribute it for free, but I'm no longer convinced that he knows what smart moves are.
― Simon H., Saturday, 9 December 2017 08:41 (six years ago) link
The smart move might be to bury in a time capsule for 5 years, but your second clause is otm.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 9 December 2017 09:42 (six years ago) link