brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

foul old wraith next to Blairite, was him next to Nicky Morgan the other day.

I meant to say old 19th century Whig wraith next to a Blairite, but stuff happened.

Thread delivering today.

Wonder if frank field hides the grandkids' Xmas presents until a realistic time in the morning allowing for the santa timezone jetlag curve and the kink in the equator in West Africa that NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT

surely the only way forward, for parliament to retain any say whatsoever on this deal, is for the alternative to a bad deal be proposing a revocation of art. 50 to the eu, rather than just sitting on the deck of the titanic doing nothing. the "no deal better than a bad deal" argument must be forcefully and thoroughly repudiated.

i mean it does honestly appear that many mps have only just now realized that their february vote in favour of art. 50 has led insensibly to exactly this place they now gasp to find themselves in

feels like an assault on democracy

apparently democracy's no biggie if the plebs are wring

i mean in reality if the deal isn't voted in then surely these shitheads are out of power as the first step?

not saying that's something to look forward to but if they are proven to have failed to get a deal that parliament can ratify then by their own standard of "delivering an orderly brexit" it's time for them all to fuck off and die.

frank field trying to buy us that vital extra hour to ensure we've got time left at the end to get a bit of bunting up, help us really celebrate our headlong jump into the chipper

Walked into work as an MP, leaving tonight as a GIF. pic.twitter.com/Sclk6txJcX

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) November 14, 2017

Who's that in the photo further up to the right of Lammy? Kinda looks like MOYESY

Hillary Ben

No, I think nashwan meant on the left (and as we know Hillary is anywhere but on the left, boom boom)

Gareth Snell.

Snell is on Lammy's left. The guy on his right looks like Moyes but maybe it's Chris Bryant ha.

I think that is Luke Pollard.

Snell is on Lammy's left. The guy on his right looks like Moyes but maybe it's Chris Bryant ha.

I get you, on Lammy's right but to the left of him in the picture, I get you. SV OTM.

I get you twice.

looking forward to England introducing a minimum unit prize on booze because i've never had a bathtub gin before

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/nov/15/landlord-threatens-mass-evictions-ahead-of-universal-credit-rollout

Nice!

excellent game face from the scum landlord there: "we're glad attention is being drawn to this because it really isn't our tenants' fault but fuck them anyway"

The landlords are always the least sympathetic victims of 20th century totalitarian regimes, and still fucking parasitic vermin now!

My sister saw a woman getting evicted from her council house earlier this year, it isn't just the rental sector where this is happening. Her description made me feel ill. They dumped all her furniture in the front garden and she made a bonfire out of it all on her first day of homelessness.

looking forward to England introducing a minimum unit prize on booze because i've never had a bathtub gin before

― the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 4:27 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally against minimum price on booze. never seen an addict cut down on booze due to financial constraints and it's not achieved through duty, it's just mandatory price rises for retailers, meaning more poor people's money going into large businesses.

the actual problems which make scotland such a booze-happy place would be the place to start id imagine (well the weather can't be helped).

as a moderate to moderately heavy drinker myself my immediate reaction might be one of agreement. i don’t work in services that have to deal with the effect of drink and it’s a solace if your skint and in a bad place.

however we’re fucking heavy drinkers in britain. there’s obv a generation of extremely heavy drinkers in europe - you see them passed out in parks at lunchtime in their suits in russia and poland, and contracting liver disease by the vatload in france. but ime the younger generation are lighter drinkers.

i remember working with a couple of scots in poland and my god - no one else in a bar would immediately say on having finished a drink “are you getting them in or what” etc. i and the other english, irish and welsh were as bad. not that it felt that bad really but bloody hell we put it away.

that’s cultural and not merely “north european places with some conspicuous poverty”. and i think that cultural stuff can be affected by pricing and education much as the moral nudging and patronisation this implies makes me nauseous.

aye but my problem is it really only targets the poorest drinker. most working class folk are going to get steaming in the pub and in the process blowing relatively large amounts of money. or they're drinking at home having some smirnoff or 8 cans of stella. their consumption won't be affected. the people who will be affect will be the ones buying a bottle of whiskey that costs a tenner. or a bottle of 7% cider that costs 2 quid.

it just seems to me like another exercise in judging and impoverishing people who are already at the bottom of the heap. Will it educate and encourage the heavy drinkers whose tipple of choice isn't a fundamentally financial decision? I doubt it, but I don't doubt this will end up hitting poor people and putting more money in the hands of organized criminals.

sorry for just repeating what Jim said :) - on my phone

obviously I take it personally because a) yes, I drink too much and b) I veer in and out of the "people whose booze decisions are financially influenced" so I mayn't be the most neutral observer but still

tbf the bathtub gin tastes fine after a wrap of M-cat.

last time I had m-cat it fucked my sinuses for a week. which probably helps the moonshine go down tbf

yep to both those comments. the moralising inherent by making unaffordable that which is not debarred those with more money is bad.

also bad - i think - is the utilitarian argument around “cost to the NHS” etc. implicit in that is the same argument “if they could afford to pay for it it wd be ok” and there’s a parallel utilitarian evaluation of people as cost units.

god yeah, first the smokers, then the boozers; doughnut fans should be worried.

This has more than a whiff of John Knox about it.

Booze should have protected status ffs! It was the only the other day I was reading about a 7000 year collection of clay wine bottles found at a site.

*7000 years old*

That's older than Christianity times 3, you fucks!

we have it in scotland already and i'm against it for the same reasons as the rest of you. on the other hand if you could get a drinkable bottle of wine here for £2 like you can in french and spanish supermarkets i'd be dead by now.

I wouldn't be dead at French pricing by now, just killing myself slowly with better fucking wine.

I'm more of a pub drinker but i'd probably drink and cook with wine more often if it was sane priced

rarely see campaigners on Breakfast Time saying "we could reduce drink problems by trying to make this country a bit less shitty tho"

oh no, wait. we don't have it yet and that's what this is about. we had it a few years back for a while before it got challenged. fwiw, i think this will be quite a big vote loser for the snp, so i think nicola's "delight" at this verdict may be short lived.

More seats for the Tories then.

btw, did you know those v cheap and strong ciders are made from onions?

gotta get some vit C down your neck!

this is tomorrow's big housing announcement fwiw: £60bn of housing association debt to be taken back off government balance sheet (as it was pre 2015)https://t.co/5vQMyEbJn2 via @FT

— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) November 15, 2017

wow, fucking cup of bathtub gruel runneth over!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html

"It is now very clear that austerity does not promote growth or reduce deficits - it is bad economics, but good class politics," he said. "This study shows it is also a public health disaster. It is not an exaggeration to call it economic murder.”

btw, did you know those v cheap and strong ciders are made from onions?

wait waht

fuck that bmj open paper is horrifying

The paper identified that mortality rates in the UK had declined steadily from 2001 to 2010, but this reversed sharply with the death rate growing again after austerity came in.

From this reversal the authors identified that 45,368 extra deaths occurred between 2010 and 2014, than would have been expected, although it stops short of calling them "avoidable".

Based on those trends it predicted the next five years - from 2015 to 2020 - would account for 152,141 deaths - 100 a day - findings which one of the authors likened to “economic murder”.