the alt-right

There was a small Nazi demo in Vancouver, WA today. Antifa showed up, some yelling was done, but that’s it apparently.

Tomorrow there’s an “It’s ok to be white” rally that I’ll be dropping into. Stay tuned. pic.twitter.com/YEay6C101u

— Mike Bivins (@itsmikebivins) November 13, 2017

Pic of the swastika on raul’s knife pic.twitter.com/UbLvbsVBUz

— Mike Bivins (@itsmikebivins) November 13, 2017

Wear a belt and get your gig line sorted, nazi pig

This whole brief thread is the best.

Baked Alaska got banned permanently from Twitter and now he's ranting outside a McDonald's that "Twitter cannot get away with this" pic.twitter.com/YXJ0vinzxI

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) November 15, 2017

"First they came for the Alt-Right, and I asked them if they needed help - because fuck the Alt-Right." - Sir Farts-a-Lot

— Sir Farts-a-Lot™ 🏴 (@NopeNotThisTime) September 12, 2017

Vic Berger offering up a nice summation of an onscreen breakdown

Are You There God? It's Me, Baked.

Former Twitter user @bakedalaska's In-N-Out Burger parking lot breakdown pic.twitter.com/BkIo9q3tK3

— Vic Berger IV (@VicBergerIV) November 16, 2017

how the hell is Baked Alaska a real person

loooool, that berger clip is amazing

I think in other times he’d just be some weird dude going on about timecube online or some shit. He just came along at the wrong time and gravitated to the wrong people

the stream the berger clip is editing from is something like 8 hours and 50 minutes long.

America is so fucking doomed.

How do any of these choads have the balls to believe they are the "master race"?

I do wonder.

mainly i’m just confused as to how a bearded maniac with a selfie stick yelling about twitter and harassing passersby about the same for longer than an entire working day didn’t get the cops called on him

How do any of these choads have the balls to believe they are the "master race"?

ahahaha

The irony being that in fact...he not only went to high school, a friend of mine was his classmate.

(Said friend has deeply enjoyed dude's implosion this week.)

the plot - quite literally - thickens

they are breathtakingly dumb

otm

idk I can get my head around the idiocy of someone like Laura Looner or Cernovich but Baked just seems so unreal to me

baked is mr laura loomer iirc - a real meeting of minds

a match made in heil

That tweet exchange is all-time

A cultural moment

Time capsule shit

even if baked was joking it’s still such a colossal self-own

I assume this wasn't posted yet, it seems terrible

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/brotherhood-of-losers/544158/

It is often said that the left won the culture war and the right won the economic war. From the point of view of angry young white men, however, neither side has scored any victories. A generation ago, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher championed the individual and the market, while liberals abandoned institutions like religion, national pride, even the nuclear family in favor of individual freedom. Together, right and left created a world in which a young person could invent his own identity and curate his own personal brand online, but also had dimmed hopes for enjoying what used to be considered the most basic elements of a decent life—marriage, a job, a house, a community. (Liberalism claimed that a village could raise a child, but never got around to building the village.)

actually it kinda did but there's just too many brown people in it for the subjects of your article with whom your fascination would be worrisome if it weren't so sad

a generation ago, ronald reagan championed the individual, while liberals abandoned institutions in favor of the individual

I ffwd'd to the last paragraph after that one and it's such bad undergraduate essay form, ugh

Angela Nagle is “fascinated” with the alt right because they are symtomatic of a greater plague of anomie. She isb’t sympathetic to them at all; there’s nothing sad about trying to understand something.

the article is terrible

People just don’t like her because she pointed out something obvious— that the online left and the online right have a symbiotic relationship, feeding off one another’s provocations for clicks. This doesn’t mean there is a moral equivalence between them, it just means that there’s a viral dimension to our current culture war that can only be understood by looking at particular aspects of the attentjon economy and how people form communities on the internet.

You might not like her for other reasons but that’s her great sin in the eyes of the people who have been harassing her online

counterpoint: the paragraph tombot pasted here is godawful nonsense

The alt right are definitely trying to recruit lost, depressed young men with weak social ties. Cults do this too. It doesn’t seem too far fetched to me.

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/

quality lols here

Angela Nagle is not very good

What nastier ppl say to her online doesn't rly change that treezy

painting nagle as impassively narrating a destructive feedback loop the online left and right have gotten themselves into would be all well and good, if it wasn't the case that for every comment she has rendering the 'lost boys' of the alt-right understandable she has one snarkily dismissing and mocking the tumblr left

Lol @ expeecting anything better from a Spiked contributor tbh.

Most charitable thing you can say about nagl is, word to nietzsche, the abyss has done some looking into her.

Also, the 'lost boys' schtick is recycled wholesale from laurie penny isn't it? (Who herself, etc)

It’s not a schtick it’s an analysis.

There are a lot of things she says that I agree with. First off, her insistence that this new right is qualitatively different than the conservatism of the past, because of its fundamentally anti-establishment, “transgressive” character. They’re more against liberal society — and its keystone virtues of equality and tolerance — than they are for any other regime, which is why their rhetoric is so nihikistic and flamboyantly offensive. Racism isn’t new — it’s embedded in the fabric of American society — but this movement is, and it doesn’t make sense to try to understand it as just another flowering of older hate movements. These people aren’t protecting an old order, they’re like cornered rats lashing out violently. Obviously they are despicable but they must also be seen as symptomatic of a deeper dysfunction in society — the idea that such an ugly, antisocial philosophy could hold any appeal at all. I think that’s what she is trying to understand in her work and people just react by turning around and saying she is being too easy on the alt right or too hard on the left or whatever

that just makes it sound like she's been reading this thread tho

Bananaman I was skeptical at first but you deserve a thanks/'you were right' for highlighting how much Nagle is mixed-up with Spiked/LM Network shenanigans. She's now been on not 1 but 2 Battle Of Ideas panels! Time to stop feeding and move on I think - there's plenty of others out there doing a better job of analyzing the alt-right (including on this thread/board).

wtf, treeship has gotten even dumber

the right being transgressive isnt new—the radical right has always been more willing to use indecency/puerility in their discourse than the left, fascism *was* a form of vanguard politics, 'accelerating' paleoconservatism just like communism accelerated social democracy, and you could see that in avant-garde art too, with futurism and vorticism tilting right more often than left.

They’re more against liberal society — and its keystone virtues of equality and tolerance — than they are for any other regime, + These people aren’t protecting an old order,

this is the premise I really disagree with bc "being against everything and for nothing" is also true of the student left since 1968, and basically a feature of youth politics in general. young ppl arent good at positive proposals.

but also these alt-right guys seemed pretty satisfied with Trump's ideas—a glance at /pol/ during the election would suggest they really liked the idea of protectionism + bashing mexicans and muslims, for example. and thats the thing. these guys are basically edgy racist republicans, and not really a proto-fascist menace threatening to overturn politics as we know it. the american left, bumbling as it is, has more dynamic ideas than the young right does. they also have the disadvantage of their politics being based around excluding anyone who isnt white (or at a stretch, asian) while the left wants to win over as many ppl as possible

also I like the idea of a dispassionate, fact-based account of internet politics, but Nagle does a shit job at it. it's not the feedback loop theory I'm against—for example, I noticed that before 2013, the /pol/ board on 4chan had so little traffic that the admin suggested that it should be deleted, but from 2013 as the "campus SJWs" and "crazy tumblr" clickbait stories began, /pol/ grew immensely with threads mocking these ppl and posting conspiracy theories about 'cultural marxism'. Nagle doesnt do much beyond recycling the same article 10 times though, and there is way better scholarship on culture wars out there. also I dont really care but this whole genre of tweet is so tired and insidious:

Socialist men to cute girls with insane tumblr opinions pic.twitter.com/Mm4oU37SRH

— Angela Nagle (@AngNagle) November 9, 2017

idk I think her project is very limited but I also think that tweet is funny

booming post

You’ve done a better job explaining your point than she did explaining hers.

I don’t know if I buy that there is really anything new under the sun here, though. There are echoes here in every right wing ethnic nationalist movement ever. Those have never been for or by the establishment - they don’t need all that ruckus.

Lol wtf so many xposts

I don’t understand that tweet. What do I win