Nathan For You

I thought he got divorced before the first season? Did he get remarried?

i feel like you guys trying to prove the show is "fake" or scripted are kind of missing the point

like the show is already about fake scenarios around real people, why would it need to have an extra layer of deception when the entire purpose of the show is revealing its deceptions to the audience

it was in 2013, right when the first season started airing

Who's trying to prove something is real or fake? It's on TV, it's been edited, it's not "real," and it doesn't matter. But given the entire point of acting is to make something "fake" seem "real," it's really impressive how well it straddles the line. I mean, "Thor" has you suspend disbelief, to some extent, but it does not seem "real." This on the other hand, the divide between real and fake is the whole point. Why else would you watch it?

im talking about the theorizing that maci is an actress instead of an escort? its very bizarre, what sense would that make? the whole episode she's like puncturing the falseness of it, why would they hire an actress to do what a normal person in that situation would do?

the skepticism directed towards the show is just strange to me, like it's obviously the point of the show that they're forcing scenarios and "nathan" in the show isn't a real guy. thats what the 'writers' are for. but the art of the show is about the interplay of the real & the fake, and the way these things bleed in capitalism ... the whole episode is about whether or not his love for her is real, if her love for him was real, if nathan's attachment to maci is real (while being obviously not) (but is it? frogsbs just described him as using comedy central's money to hang out with an escort, as if maybe the real nathan might have a real attraction to this escort underneath which are all these fake layers, the money he spent for her, the show which is the 'real' purpose, etc.)

anyway the point im making is this show isn't really something that you 'disprove' for being fake, it uses fakeness to find the real, thats its whole thing

i think the funniest moment of the whole episode is nathan standing in teh doorway to the bathroom while bill harangues him about frances lol

nothing wrong with her line of work but Maci has a future as a screen actress if she wants it imho

im talking about the theorizing that maci is an actress instead of an escort? its very bizarre, what sense would that make? the whole episode she's like puncturing the falseness of it, why would they hire an actress to do what a normal person in that situation would do?

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 13, 2017 3:30 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because escorting is only a quasi-legal profession, and many escorts won't even show their faces in their own advertising. There's no guarantee that they'd be able to find a real escort in the Little Rock, AR area ready to be identified as such on national TV. I guess they lucked out with Maci, but the alternative is not at all implausible.

Haven't seen this yet, but some of this talk sounds familiar.

https://i.imgur.com/Q4c39Rc.jpg

Maci can be both real and fake. She's basically an actress already. Apparently from her:

"I am aware that curiosity tends to be a very natural part of human nature, however, let's all remember curiosity killed the cat. I feel like this is a very necessary post in light of recent events. Before you get too excited...No. I will not be elaborating on anything regarding the show.
I am, for all intensive purposes, a small business. I run this whole operation all by my lonesome (which is how I like it). However, there is a literal shit ton of admin work that goes into this industry. Screening in itself is not a 2 min task. Everything takes time and I pride myself in my response time. I like to think of it as "good business practices". With that being said....my emails have more than tripled, my twitter is on steroids, and my phone rings all times of the day. It's more than a little out of control.
The backstory for my actual clients that read these and follow my day to day life. A TV show that I appeared on aired this past Thursday....and you know...people bring up escorts and everyone loses their fucking minds.
Let's be grown ups people... This is literally the one of the oldest professions and we still lose our shit whenever it's brought up. I don't need the judgement. I honestly don't care what you think about me or what I do. This is my life and this is how I am choosing to live it...my life. my business. For those of you that are supportive. As much as I appreciate all the kind words, the emails and phone calls really just bog me down.
I am going to say this again...one last time for those of you that may not have been listening before...
I am not at liberty to discuss anything related to the show AT ALL.
So....now that all that is settled...
If you would like to book a date please use my booking form located on my website. Fill it out in its entirety. If you have any questions (about booking) I will be more than happy to answer them. Please read my website prior to asking (more than likely, your answer is on my site somewhere). Any mention of the show will put you on my do not see list.
Also....
1. I don't want your dick pics
2. When in doubt, be a gentleman
3. You are not allowed to link to my website without my consent and I will not give it so please stop trying to do it.
4. Also, I just want to elaborate on a comment I saw somewhere....There is no such thing as "hooker attire". I don't know why you expect us to dress like pretty woman. That is a movie and it's not a real representation of what escorts dress like...just fyi we are allowed to wear jeans.
To all my legit clients...I apologize for any delays in response time. Please just bare with me."

So sounds like she signed a NDA, which is a bit more than signing a generic release form. Doesn't change anything, just implies there is more going on than what we know.

I am not at liberty to discuss anything related to the show AT ALL.

she is real escort though. She's just not from anywhere near Little Rock

she signed an NDA means what to you? that her reactions weren't authentic? That they were scripted? that she didnt behave like a normal person would in that scenario?

No, just that there's anything secretive for her to reveal at all beyond what we see on the show. I mean, all those things you said could be right. Who knows?

the real interesting thing about Maci is that she's one of the few people who have appeared on the show who explicitly knows what kind of show it is

Right. It just adds another layer to it all.

Nathan is a liar and is playing a role, so is his "relationship" with Maci "real?" Maci is an escort, who lies for a living to make people feel good. She knows Nathan is a liar, because ... he told the truth. And yet she participates anyway. It's all kind of fascinating.

idk if you remember the "pig rescues goat" episode but Nathan's NDAs are no joke

Haven't seen this yet, but some of this talk sounds familiar.

https://i.imgur.com/Q4c39Rc.jpg

that one was fake, though - she's been an actress since the early 90's

Because escorting is only a quasi-legal profession, and many escorts won't even show their faces in their own advertising. There's no guarantee that they'd be able to find a real escort in the Little Rock, AR area ready to be identified as such on national TV. I guess they lucked out with Maci, but the alternative is not at all implausible.

― JRN, Monday, November 13, 2017 4:00 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it s not at all implausible that an escort might consider 'being on television' a huge boost to her business

Did you read her letter?

The concluding episode of Nathan For You (season 4) is unfathomably great. (Now, I'm going to business school.)

— errolmorris (@errolmorris) November 13, 2017

it s not at all implausible that an escort might consider 'being on television' a huge boost to her business

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 13, 2017 4:49 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's true, and consistent what I've said. The calculation could plausibly go either way.

oh man, just finished the finale. i thought it was fantastic.

Did you read her letter?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, November 13, 2017 4:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, how does that contradict anything?

recently discovered jon benjamin has a van (feat our very own nathan fielder) and wow, so so brilliant. can see where nathan got his layer upon layer upon layer ideas from. i know nothing about us tv commissioning but how the hell didn't this get more than one series?

just guessing: it probably didn't pull enough viewers / advertisers.

Did you read her letter?

yeah, how does that contradict anything?

Because it seems all the show-related stuff has either complicated her life for the worse or is something she can't exploit for personal gain. She's not talking about the show, she doesn't want people linking to her site (which is what drives her business), emails and phone calls are "bogging her down," "Any mention of the show will put you on my do not see list," and so on. I mean, I don't know what she was expecting, but all those things seem to be signs of a business boost, but that's apparently not what she wants. Or wanted.

nathan had an entire book written and distributed on amazon for a goof. "but they're posting her website on reddit" is an interesting burden of proof. it hardly matters either way; as with kaufman, there's no benefit in seeing behind the curtain here.

I've never argued that. But I have argued that the confusion of truth and fiction is what makes this show compelling, at least to me. A lot more than a more conventional clown like Sasha Baron Cohen.

Anyway, I didn't specify reddit or whatever. I just quoted the escort herself, who seems to be somewhat bristling at the attention, which does not seem like the actions of someone who did something for the extra attention/business.

The anecdote episode perfectly underscores the balance. It's a guy playing a neo-fictional character who fakes an elaborate anecdote to make his story "true," providing a burden of proof that no one expects from a celebrity interview in the first place.

Because it seems all the show-related stuff has either complicated her life for the worse or is something she can't exploit for personal gain. She's not talking about the show, she doesn't want people linking to her site (which is what drives her business), emails and phone calls are "bogging her down," "Any mention of the show will put you on my do not see list," and so on. I mean, I don't know what she was expecting, but all those things seem to be signs of a business boost, but that's apparently not what she wants. Or wanted.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:07 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and this relates to why she agreed to do the show in the first place, before any of that happened, because...?

a better example of the kind of pulling at the scenery you guys are doing that annoys me would be if you just outright said you didn't think the workout dude ever went on daytime TV. it just feels like missing the forest for the trees as a form of critique

Well, if everything was an outright fiction it would be a conventional TV show or movie, like the terrible "Ali G Indahouse."

So I guess I'm to understand Twin Peaks: S3E8 has some new competition in the "TV episodes cinephiles are going to slip into their year-end top 10 movie lists" derby?

Yep, though it works best if you've seen the rest of the series

I still think about this a lot, the idea that so much time and effort was spent trying to give an old man some closure and it just resulted in a awkward phone call w/ someone who didn't really even remember who he was

https://www.theringer.com/tv/2017/11/14/16650726/nathan-for-you-season-4-finale-finding-frances

Thanks Josh for throwing me down a NFY rabbit hole because of that article. The first of season 4, the Michael Richards one, really is the best. So many steps and twists and turns.

I honestly don't think he could do a season 5, but I'd be happy proven wrong. Seriously though, after the last finale, where can he go, what can he do next with this?

Eradicate malaria in order to "prove" Bill Gates impersonator is really Bill Gates.

I honestly don't think he could do a season 5, but I'd be happy proven wrong. Seriously though, after the last finale, where can he go, what can he do next with this?

Wow. Errol Morris wrote about Finding Frances for The New Yorker https://t.co/hv3u5WgDw2

— nathan fielder (@nathanfielder) December 5, 2017

Was just coming here to post this. Just watched the finale last week. So so good.

I want a show entirely about the age progression artist who just dropped in the whole "we're all going to live in space thing".

did you see the other NFY episode he was in?

I think I've seen most of them but I don't remember him! Which was it?

the one where they tried to sign a bunch of child athletes as sponsors for a sporting goods store. he brings that guy in to "age progress" the kids by just pasting their faces over stock models

pic.twitter.com/DF8U7Kn92T

— no context nathan (@NathanForYouOoC) December 1, 2017

"Who did this?"

"Cornelius Ladd"

^ my favorite part of this episode