Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

yes, but it's been 27 years, I've forgotten almost everything! Plus Duchovny is about to surface.

feel like Morbs is more likely to enjoy the meandering camp section of S2 than a lot of other types itt

and Michael Cera (who plays Lucy)!

― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:01 AM (three years ago)

respec knuckles

I am generally allergic to camp. Ian Buchanan's Dick is trying enough.

well, buckle up

I've seen it before! crazy eyepatch gal wrestling etc

the camp isn't for camp's sake, but the series trying to find its way again by playing with other elements & forms of old serialised US TV than the murder mystery stuff. without Invitation To Love to comment on it, that content just seeps further into the main show for a couple of months.

not SOLELY for camp's sake, imts

for lack of anything better to do last night my wife and I started in on the original series again (w the intention of watching everything up through the Return) and I had two thoughts about the pilot:
1) Dana Ashbrook (w Grace Zabriskie a close second) totally nails the generally disconcerting/unpredictable vibe of the show right out the gate. he is great in every scene, always throwing in some weird nuance/mannerism/delivery that elevates the material
2) I lol'd when Cooper closes a scene at the PD with "Diane I am holding in my hand a box of chocolate bunnies"

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 1, 2017 1:14 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The callback to the bunnies in The Return was so brilliant. Like, the way the show pauses to make you consider, does this mean something? Then quickly dismisses the idea.

― Evan R, Friday, December 1, 2017 1:39 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cooper is also strangely supercilious in some of his first scenes. He positively revels in grilling Bobby and Donna, he openly mocks them for no real reason, it comes off as almost cruel. These qualities seem to evaporate from his character as the show goes on. Or, at least, when they do pop up he more skillfully deploys them against people that deserve it.

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 1, 2017 1:44 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's a bit out of character, but maybe he sensed there was something there beyond Laura's death. After all, Bobby had just recently murdered his drug connect.

― Moodles, Friday, December 1, 2017 1:51 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, Coop's mocking "You didn't love her anyway" really surprised me the last time I watched it

― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Friday, December 1, 2017 3:59 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

too bad i'm 20 episodes ahead, there could've been a Shakey-Morbius TP podcast

gimme a couple days I'll catch up

I'd subscribe to that.

lol i rewatched the pilot maybe 3 months ago, what do you think i remember?

Bobby's hair?

well, who can forget that

the deer head on the table "oh, it fell down" is so classic

or moose? w/e

I'd forgotten that Josie Packard went into the drawer knob.

also that Billy Zane showed up and looked like that, for the love of God

lmao

Which was the greater jolt, it was zane and his eyelashes right

He's shot at least as glamorously as any of the women.

https://media.giphy.com/media/t1SPXtQp6Zyvu/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

the eyebrows

He is empirically the worst

Should have been him in the g.d. doorknob

hey what's going on with Sherilyn Fenn? posting a lot about a kickstarter for her defense fund? did something happen? couldn't find anything via cursory digging

Her GoFundMe page is pretty self-explanatory?

(as far as that she's got something going on but can't disclose details)

ah i didn't see that. that's a drag, hope it works out

That is not what explanatory means

i mean it's explanatory enough

Michael Ontkean's drunken rages when Truman goes on his post-Josie bender are really lame.

also hadn't recalled Lauren Graham as Norma's sister, or heard this:

http://horrorfreaknews.com/sherilyn-fenn-says-lara-flynn-boyle-put-kibosh-cooper-audrey-love-affair

yea that’s the nadir of S2 imo, it’s so wildly out of character, poorly executed, and just jarring

Morbs, I look forward to your concluding this rewatch and perhaps rejoining us in Worst ongoing plotline in the second season of Twin Peaks (SPOILERS)

Shouty drunken Harry is hilariously bad, clearly out of his comfort zone and not in a fruitful way

Ontkean once perceptively described himself as the "designated driver" among the cast, so in a meta sense it's funny that while the show is all over the road they have him get blind drunk

(It's all worth it for hungover Harry)

Heather Graham as a Waitress/Ex-Nun of Mystery is not great casting either.

People say that "Lynch was gone" for the second half of s2, but Gordon Cole shows up in 2 episodes to romance Shelley! Before the finale!

yeah he wasn't so much literally "gone" as he'd ceded overall control to the new cadre of directors and writers.

Yeah I think (apart from a brief stint abroad for an exhibition) he was around but like in his office and basically checked out

That's why it's unfair that the other writers and even the network take so much of the blame - both lynch & frost basically took their hands off the wheel, nobody forced them to

generally true, tho Frost has a co-writing credit on the fourth-to-last episode.

billy zane is outrageously ugly. just finished watching the whole orig. run so i could watch the new ones. It gets so terrible after the murder is finally solved. The last like 15 episodes are unremittingly terrible. So many bad set-pieces, pointless storylines (audrey billy zane case in point) and way too much of that annoying receptionist/dumb cop combo. felt like i was punishing myself every time I put on a new episode, and then the finale was all the pointless storylines being neatly and cursorily tied up before everybody ran around in some curtains for twenty minutes. awful.

the finale is great! and the 4-5 episodes following the reveal have plenty of good stuff

there's also a key sequence in the finale that points to the pacing and sensibility of The Return so ye been warned

tbh if you don't like the finale episode you should prob stop punishing yourself now & skip s3

its not that i'm against weirdness and i loved the dream logic of the earlier episodes, but the truncated way in which the plot was dealt with was really stretching things. Why have the Wyndham Earl plot at all, it was so half-arsed. What did it matter that Earl was looking for the lodge? What about the message to the Major? I feel like you could have just had this episode exactly one episode after the resolution of the laura palmer story and it would have been the same.

the finale was all the pointless storylines being neatly and cursorily tied up

this isn't true at all!

Lol yeah they all end in massively uncertain fates of major characters; in the soapy 90s we called these "cliffhangers"

You'll get no argument from me re windom earle tho haha

also ultimately the show seems to me to be horribly conservative. That beauty pageant episode, my god. I think the decent good small town folk bollocks is ultimately about as ironic as vice magazine racism circa '07.

The storyline about lara flynn boyle raced to its conclusion. Oh he's your dad. there wasn't even time to work up a bit of ambiguity. what was the key that eckhart sent? oh it was for a bomb! also what about the south african woman in jail. is she going to be charged? I'm pretty sure she was also in ER so I guess she got out eventually and moved to boston.

tbh if you don't like the finale episode you should prob stop punishing yourself now & skip s3

yeah, exactly. when people ask about the return i usually say that if they liked the finale and fire walk with me, they'll love the return

The storyline about lara flynn boyle raced to its conclusion. Oh he's your dad. there wasn't even time to work up a bit of ambiguity.

idk i spent a while wondering if ben horne was dead (he's not)