Albums you own or used to own from artists that turned out to be awful people.

claudine's records are cool. spider probably had it coming. as long as she didn't murder beloved sweater-wearer andy williams, we're good.

i can't listen to john martyn records after reading what beverley wrote about him. ugh.

Bowie was a dress up fascist on coke for like five minutes
Lori Lightning thing is way more troubling tbh

Miles Davis beat women but Moka’s concern is his alleged “racism”?

wasnt dressing up part of everything he did tho

xp

nico

― Karl Malone, Monday, November 13, 2017 4:31 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Warum brichst du mir mein herz ;_;

ja, das ist wahr

you didn't know about nico? i only learned about her terrible opinions a year or two ago. hell, my awakening to the sad truth is probably documented on an ilx thread (probably me posting "aw dammit, nico. fuck!" or something similar)

Here's a more obscure one: I used to have an album by the '90s Chicago post-punk band Trenchmouth, probably best known for having a pre-SNL Fred Armisen on drums. A few years ago one of their guitarists, then a college professor, turned out to be a pedophile. I recommend not reading any details of the case beyond what is contained in that article.

― JRN, Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:54 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jesus fucking christ, I hadn't heard of this...

we are supposed to list albums. allow me to get this back on track: Greatest Hits and i think we can all agree, 20th Century Masters

I'm assuming you are getting at her anti-semitism. It totally sucks, yeah. Though she also had a fondness for Andreas Baader? It's difficult to figure it out.

I think more than ever I've had to admit to myself that I'm awfully arbitrary about where I draw the line, and when I am suddenly ok crossing it at times. Burzum is a complete no go for me now (not hard: his music sucks), but I've no trouble listening to the church burning, murdering black metal I love. Fascist/racist BM however is a no go again. I still listen to (early) Swans, even though Gira turns out to be a terrible man. If anything, this and #metoo has shown me I'm inconsequential as fuck.

Have to say though, there is a difference - for me - between music and film. I cannot stomach seeing Spacey in anything anymore, I wouldn't enjoy it because he's *in my face* all the time, he's on screen. With music (or paintings) it's murkier, less in your face. But again, I realise how arbitrary it all is, and how morally I draw the line at one person where I don't with another. And it sucks but it's good to realise and try and figure out why this is the case.

that was an xp to KM

yeah ok sorry sufjan, jeez...

wasn't rreally aware of this myself but ugh...

Nico was described by some friends and colleagues as racist. Her friend Danny Fields, the American journalist who helped her sign to Elektra Records, described her as "Nazi-esque", saying: "Every once in a while there'd be something about Jews and I'd be, 'But Nico, I'm Jewish,' and she was like 'Yes, yes, I don't mean you.' She had a definite Nordic Aryan streak, [the belief] that she was physically, spiritually and creatively superior", a view she appears to have continued to maintain throughout her later years. According to Fields, Nico once attacked a mixed-race woman in a restaurant with a smashed wineglass, saying "I hate black people". During a performance in Berlin, the audience rioted after Nico performed the German national anthem "Deutschlandlied", including a verse omitted since 1945 for its nationalist associations.[23] However, Nico dedicated this performance to militant Andreas Baader, leader of the anti-fascist Red Army Faction.[24]

Ron Asheton, Siouxsie, Lemmy, Jeff Hanneman : wore/collected nazi parafernalia?

A thing I've talked about before on ilx that hit a lot harder than the reed/nico stuff, because it's the "good guy" & also the one whose music I care about a lot more: in the cale autobiography there's this account of him (iirc) throwing a whiskey glass into a woman's face and breaking her teeth. The only weight this is really given in the narrative is in how it relates to his overcoming substance abuse problems.

The weirdest thing about this is I can't find anything about it on the internet despite it being as horrifying an incident as the nico thing (minus the nazi angle obv) and I lost my copy of the book and when I've mentioned it on here everyone's ignored me. Maybe I imagined the whole thing? Someone other than me must have read this book...

I still listen to The Smiths on occasion, particularly Hatful of Hallow.

I do fuck with Wagner, who posthumously inspired Nazis, but I won't listen to Von Karajan, who elected to join them

(Wagner - he was an absolute piece of shit and so voluble about it, but i see The Ring as a monster which escaped its creator and became more human than him)

(Karajan - if he fucking regretted what he did in his youth he could have said something at some point in his long life about it, fuck you dude)

Chopin's antisemitism bothers me as well - something about that coupled with the extreme fastidiousness of his style adds up to musical repulsion)

I found the last time I brought it up

I mean I love john cale and I can't for the life of me find my (signed!) copy of his book, and I mentioned this in some velvets thread or other to such little response/corroboration that I feel almost gaslighted, but I swear he flatly describes an incident as horrific as shithead racist nico's assault on a black woman

― (emphasis mine) (wins), Saturday, 10 October 2015 16:30 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

& remember googling it then, and I'm usually pretty good at googling but there was nothing. I apologise to cale if this never happened

First time hearing about Cantat from Noir Desir! Only song from them I know is ‘le vent nous portera” mainly because I love Manu Chao and he is a guest artist in there. I can’t believe he’s out there recording already.

D-40: first time hearing about Miles beating up women. I had a shirt of him that I don’t think I’ll ever be able to wear anymore.

Here’s a few more that haven’t been listed yet:

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/13/here-is-a-list-of-men-who-made-great-but-music-were-not-always-great-people/

Starting to think everyone that becomes a
Legend in music is terrible. We need a counter-thread before I lose all hope

I think D-40 meant Miles was a deeply flawed human being for all sorts of reasons, no argument there. But accusing him of racism, as you did, supposed "racism" towards white people is... Not on. There is no racism "against white people". (but I feel we've been here before...)

Cantat is the best example. It's difficult though. He served his sentence, he was convicted and did the time. I can't stand the guy, but if we're talking "everyone deserves a second chance" etc, well, here we are.

Three counter examples :

Josh homme kicking olivieri out the band for physically abusing nick's girlfriend.

Tori Amos for her work with RAINN and genuinely awesome support of her fans.

And George Michael, who was decent AF

My favorite counter-example so far:

at a Danzig show in high school, a bouncer got me & my friend backstage. lots of teens hanging out, thinking we were going to party SO hard! Glenn finally came out, talked to everyone about healthy choices & weight lifting, and made every kid take a piece of fruit when we left. https://t.co/4JOdyvuDHD

— jessica (@yayponies) November 11, 2017

"reliably decent musicians" should or could be a thread. Homme did used to have a habit of being pretty damn homophobic in stage banter though

Homme still jamming with supreme prick and islamophobe Jesse Hughes iirc

Oh I see. I already knew Miles was a bitter man and pretty much hated everyone and everything which is why I said I didn’t care much about his hate of white people. Beating up women is another story in my book. That one does kill my enjoyment of his music.

Ah ok, then I misunderstood. And yeah, it's a mood killer for sure. Same with James Brown, for me.

Those counter-examples warm my heart I do need to read more of those, this thread is depressing and enraging.

Homme still jamming with supreme prick and islamophobe Jesse Hughes iirc

I'm not inclined to judge Jesse harshly, all things considered.

Knew that was coming. And agreed, but still no reason to go full islamophobic imo. There's never a reason for hatred like that.

(easy for me to say, I know, I know..)

I interviewed Tom Waits and he called back the next night because he wanted to talk more about how much of an equal songwriting partner his wife Kathleen Brennan was. https://t.co/cxD4dAHVb9

— burning ambulance (listen to the podcast!) (@burn_amb) November 11, 2017

yeah it's not an excuse per se, I'm just not inclined to be as upset with him as I would be someone like Myrkur xp

Eminem has said some harsh thing about our President, so I don't think I'm going to download his new album

Jesse Hughes kind of just says whatever without thinking much? Iirc he is a trump supporter but when he came to Mexico last time he was saying fuck trump’s wall.

His muslim comments don’t seem particularly hateful just heavily misinformed and made the same week after the attack, he was probably paranoid as fuck.

I mean what happened was devastating and atrocious and unimaginable and life altering, but you can't hand out free passes to people who witnessed that to hate, just because they went through it.

xp to Simon: yeah, gotcha

Unless I’m missing further islamophobic comments he has made?

*they went "through it" already not clear enough, as terror in the name of Islam isn't the same as Islam practised by billions of muslims.

I feel like we've already had 10 iterations of this thread

@Moka: He’s pro-gun, pro-Trump, and pro-life. He recognizes that Islam is the problem and political correctness is literally killing us.

He's a traumatised person who probably shouldn't have done so many interviews/shouldn't have been triggered to spill his guts, so early after it happened tbrh

DJP, a friend of mine just interviewed ol Glenn D. and said he was not only amazingly nice, but he stayed a lot longer than he had to and the only time he took a break was to go home to feed his cats, and also turn on the lights for them in the house since it was getting dark.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/20/french-festivals-ditch-eagles-of-death-metal-over-singers-comments-jesse-hughes

Are these the comments made? It just reads to me like paranoid crazy talk.

For what it counts article says he later apologized and said it was ‘trauma’ talk. But yeah wouldn’t surprise me if deep down this guy hates muslims.

i used to get Eagles of Death Metal mixed up w/DFA 1979 because there was something about their aesthetic that seemed similar, plus they each had a Jesse. Now they each have an anti-Islam Jesse.

It’s a shame I don’t really like Danzig’s music at all because everything I’ve heard of him makes it seem like he is a class dude.

xpost A long time ago I saw Danzig in a small club and he played pool with me and my friends while the opening act played. Nice dude.

Wait DFA 1979 also have an anti-islam jesse?

Jesse has always been seriously right-wing. Not just after the attacks. I think I saw something in an interview with him in which he talked about his absent father being a liberal.

Jesse Hughes, I mean. Not DFA guy.

I'm aware of the most infamous of these stories, but generally I don't play this game. There's no end to it, and I can choose to make Artist X's unproven "crimes" as much of a nonfactor as fans of the Stones, Bowie, Page et al make their pretty well-chronicled underage-groupie histories.

the narrative about Jesse in that EODM documentary is that he found his true self by shedding a dad/husband mask and discovering his inner "rock star" after his wife cheated on him, but he now seems trapped in this alter ego that we are supposed to take as not at all ironic. but he is kinda a shithead if it's not ironic.

Ironically being a jackass means you are being a jackass.