I didn't think about it, but they're going to be in the universe where Michael's preemptive strike plan went into effect, aren't they?
― mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
Oh good call, circling back to roads-not-taken plot points from earlier episodes, I hadn't thought of that
This and the Mudd-loop episode is making me wonder just how mindfuck they want to get with the show. If they reveal bf to be a surgically-altered and brainwashed Klingon this whole ride is going to turn into a serious acid trip
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
Who am I kidding, the torture-sex scenes have already sent it over the edge
It would be wild if - assuming they could ever get back to 'their' universe - Discovery instead of a weapon-to-end-wars became the ultimate research vessel, collecting information on how things turn out elsewhere given certain choices. They'd have to rename the ship the A/B Discovery or the USS Choice Architecture
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
Now I'm really wondering why they call the Prime Directive "General Order 1".
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
That's what they called it in TOS, IIRC.
― Entree 3000 (Leee), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
if tilly is going to be working on starfleet's most important system, she really needs a promotion
even wesley got acting ensign
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
definitely going to get a “Tilly steps up” plot in here somewhere, where she steps up in some dire circumstance and her awkwardness is cast off
― mh, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 01:02 (six years ago) link
xpost
Memory Alpha says "General Order 1" is actually from The Animated Series - nice.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 01:11 (six years ago) link
They’ve made other refs to the Animated series, too
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 06:59 (six years ago) link
Fun episode with one genuine shock (although as they're now in an alternate universe I imagine it will be fairly easy to bring him back)
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 08:38 (six years ago) link
I'm enjoyjng this but a Michael is getting a little boring.
The "shock" was interesting - I would've thought the writers were smarter than that trope, so I'm guessing that's not the end of that story.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 09:29 (six years ago) link
I think I should have seen it coming when the episode had me thinking, "Wow, this character is maybe the most empathetic character we've seen in this role on Star Trek, what a great guy"
― mh, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
I should have guessed, all spontaneous declarations of love for a partner must be followed by death.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
It's a little unnerving to see out of all the spinoffs, Enterprise is the one that is being mined for the most material to weave canon out of. Maybe we'll get to see evil Porthos cameo.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
Ashhole amirite?
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:00 (six years ago) link
Maybe WE'RE the ones in the mirror universe.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
no midriff mirror universe uniforms yet so may it’s changed over there
― mh, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
It's nice to see Frakes directed this, IMHO his is the first Trek name to have been associated with a good series.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
Oops, forgot Nick Meyer.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:31 (six years ago) link
he went a little overboard on the camera-circling-everyone thing
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
The camera NEVER STOPPED
Static locked down shots don’t exist anymore
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:36 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHbLewg79c
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:37 (six years ago) link
I know the agony booths were in TOS, but the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK. File it with the most painful way to suicide bomb, the most painful possible gun disintegration, and the warp engine booth that tortures the occupant.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
Similar to a comment made in the RLM vid on Abrams’ approach to the ‘09 reboot. Everything must be HYPERCHARGED.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
I’m curious how a TOS/Constitution-class ship looks rendered in the particular art direction of this show, esp with the lighting.
Here’s what it looked like 15 years ago:
http://www.treksinscifi.com/trekdaily/pictures/2010-04-23_Defiant.jpg
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK
Yeah, you'd think that the show would've outgrown its Oedipal impulses by now, but maybe they feel that a midseason premiere required them to reassert the GRIMDARK.
I think with JJ, he may have been overcompensating because he wasn't that familiar with Trek prior to getting the franchise.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
Next step in L'Rell's master plan: get Burnham's answers to her security questions.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
some viewers were upset that the asian captain gets killed/the black woman gets court martialed/the female admiral gets tortured/the gay guy gets killed*/etc., so it seems only fair that the white guy gets a little agony booth
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
he does have the pre-existing messed up vision. definitely a problem in the terran empire, where insurance is absolutely brutal
― mh, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
maybe aztec'd like this:http://deg3d.biz/posts/deg3D_NCC-1701_112.jpg
and lit like this:http://deg3d.biz/desktops_art_SOMS.html
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
whoops:http://deg3d.biz/images/deg3D_TOS.5_E_SOMS_1956.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
There was a 3d wireframe of one on the show this week that had a kink in the engine struts, but otherwise looked similar.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
https://imgur.com/a/zc0K1
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
guh
https://i.imgur.com/jKQCGnV.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
Yeah, thats what made me think of it. Every other ship in the show is “darkshiney” as it were, so I’m wondering what they’ll do to the usual battleship grey exterior
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
So I guess everyone who predicted the Ash thing was right eh?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
(awesome episode btw)
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
Sarek was right there! How could have scanned the dude after he freaked out!
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
Yeah that occurred to me as well! But I guess there was more urgent "hey dont kill us" standoff going on.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
a mind meld can be dangerous
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
I honestly didnt see the 'how they got the data' trick coming at all either, so that pleased me a lot.
I think generally a mind meld is pretty risky if the other party isn’t willing, so it’d be a bad idea
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
Spock was pretty cavalier about melding with anything that moves.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
first mind meld episode had it be dangerous. afterwards they did it willy nilly.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
Willy nilly...Tilly...Killy?! This is a clue!
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 07:05 (six years ago) link
Best episode yet. Hopefully a sign of whatever shift the show underwent.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
I wonder if there were a bunch of Klingon segments planned for each episode that they just cut out.
― adam the (abanana), Friday, 19 January 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link
i'm such a newbie trekkie that i didn't realize that the depiction of the empire was canon. i thought it was something disco came up with. welp, off to watch the two ENT episodes i skipped
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
In my head Yesterday's Enterprise is a mirror universe episode, I only just realised it's a regular old parallel universe
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link