michael gira
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:16 (six years ago) link
a low cloud in this thread :p
― calzino, Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
I think you have to assume that just about all mid-70s rock stars were having sex with underage groupies and were therefore committing statutory rape
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
JFC, I'd totally missed that there was a sequel to Mystikal's story
http://www.xxlmag.com/video/2017/09/mystikal-indicted-grand-jury-charges-rape-kidnapping/
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
Yes, and before the mid-70s too.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
This thread is quite timely. 70s punk band Crisis are playing reunion gigs at the moment. At the time they were around they were hard left, but the various members went on to bands like Death in June, Sol Invictus and Above the Ruins, the last one were a full on Nazi band on compilations with Skrewdriver. I'm not sure who is actually in the current line up but I don't think I can in good conscience go and see them. I do listen to some of the artists in this thread and other completely reprehensible people who made music I like but I usually justify this by just illegally downloading it so I'm not financially supporting them. This often feels like a cop out though.
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
One of the rationalizations I've read from numerous people is that if you're listening to, say, James Brown, he's not openly singing about punching women and that makes it easier to commit to the separation of art from artist. In R. Kelly's case, every time he mentions sex, you know he's talking about a 15 year old.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 13 November 2017 00:00 (six years ago) link
Here's a more obscure one: I used to have an album by the '90s Chicago post-punk band Trenchmouth, probably best known for having a pre-SNL Fred Armisen on drums. A few years ago one of their guitarists, then a college professor, turned out to be a pedophile. I recommend not reading any details of the case beyond what is contained in that article.
― JRN, Monday, 13 November 2017 01:54 (six years ago) link
For me the big one that fits the bill here is Warren Zevon. After reading I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead, the bio written by his ex wife, I️ find it hard to listen to his music anymore. He was such a horrible, mean, irredeemable prick. Close to evil as a drunk, and nearly as bad when he got sober.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 13 November 2017 02:36 (six years ago) link
wonder if his #1 fan Dave Letterman knew about all that
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 13 November 2017 02:46 (six years ago) link
(if were counting sleeping with groupies and doing drugs)
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:11 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you are such a fucking moron that you'd literally place these two things on a parallel?
― imago, Sunday, November 12, 2017 12:22 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol i only allow your comments because you suck my socks' dicks fella
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 02:54 (six years ago) link
Oh shit, I just remembered that Greg Graffin (Bad Religion) got busted after jerking it in video chatrooms for teenage girls over a period of years. Google tells me that was in 2005. Didn't think it was that long ago.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 13 November 2017 06:11 (six years ago) link
70s punk band Crisis are playing reunion gigs at the moment. At the time they were around they were hard left, but the various members went on to bands like Death in June, Sol Invictus and Above the Ruins, the last one were a full on Nazi band on compilations with Skrewdriver. I'm not sure who is actually in the current line up but I don't think I can in good conscience go and see them.
This line-up of Crisis has just one original member, Tony Wakeford who used to be in the NF and went on to play in DIJ, Sol Invictus and Above the Ruins. Not a very nice man and most of his musical output is pretty sub-par as well. I As for DIJ, I'm still a big fan of their earlier material but haven't listened to his later stuff in years.
― heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 13 November 2017 08:05 (six years ago) link
Amanda Hess weighs in: "How the Myth of the Artistic Genius Excuses the Abuse of Women. To some, assessing an artist’s work in light of his biography is blasphemous. But it’s time to do away with the idea that they’re separate."
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 13 November 2017 08:56 (six years ago) link
What a shame ... Trenchmouth was a way better band than lost prophets
― sarahell, Monday, 13 November 2017 10:19 (six years ago) link
Noir Desir is probably the most glaring example.
Bertrand Cantat managed to have a top ten single in France last month despite having been convicted of murdering his girlfriend and, post-prison, by most accounts, driving his wife to kill herself.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 13 November 2017 11:01 (six years ago) link
Wow, I was just thinking about starting a post like this:- 2017 Billy Corgan makes it pretty impossible for me to revisit Gish/Siamese Dream no matter how much I used to love those albums- That whole fracas with the War on Drugs made Mark Kozalek seem like such an asshole, that I no longer have any inclination to listen to Sun Kill Moon/Red House Painters- Even though they kicked that Ducktails guy out of the band, I still feel a little conflicted about listening to the first few Real Estate albums
― enochroot, Monday, 13 November 2017 13:02 (six years ago) link
That whole fracas with the War on Drugs made Mark Kozalek seem like such an asshole
far from the worst of Koz iirc
― Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link
Koz is kind of a sleep around whore or used to be, and a bit of a jerk personally, but I've never once heard of him being abusive
"how does Lou Reed fit into all this
― clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Sunday, November 12, 2017 8:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Like a sack of rancid shit. He's up there with Lennon re violence towards women."
it's really hard to square this with the fact that he was then married to laurie anderson for years and years. LIke, did they ever discuss this? he must have been remorseful? I dunno.
― akm, Monday, 13 November 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link
Each new Vybz Kartel skeeves me out a little more, even as it's often anodyne dancehall (though it's frequently really good.) I can accept that he's an awful person while being vital to the genre, but that there's some whole shadow system allowing him to record from prison and monetizing it seems darker still.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Monday, 13 November 2017 14:24 (six years ago) link
(xp) He was abusive to his first rife, I doubt he was proud of himself over it.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 13 November 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link
Wife not rife!
x-pwith lou reed you should not forget that he had electroshock therapy as a teenager. probably that did not help.
somehow i find this thread - which reminds me of a pillory - quite partial.
usually the reality is much more complex than the accusations and wrongdoings which find it into the press.
i agree with ShariVari the most striking example is definitely Bertrand Cantat. i cannot listen to noir désir anymore, i was never a fan though.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 13 November 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
Cantat's first album as Détroit, with Pascal Humbert, features several thinly-veiled references to Marie Trintignant (whom he murdered), especially on 'Ange de désolation'. The results are far more disturbing than anything by Varg Vikernes.
― pomenitul, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
As a general rule, though, I have no trouble dissociating the music from the musician. There are a few exceptions, such as openly fascist lyrics in a language I can understand (Peste Noire is the worst offender).
― pomenitul, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
I used to own a Ted Nugent album.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
Richard Wagner
― clouds, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
- 2017 Billy Corgan makes it pretty impossible for me to revisit Gish/Siamese Dream no matter how much I used to love those albums
What is this in reference to? He's an insufferable egomaniac and conspiracy theorist, sure, but that's a pretty low bar imo.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
and he seems to have rehabilitated somewhat of late
― Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
- 2017 Billy Corgan makes it pretty impossible for me to revisit Gish/Siamese Dream no matter how much I used to love those albumsWhat is this in reference to? He's an insufferable egomaniac and conspiracy theorist, sure, but that's a pretty low bar imo.― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, November 13, 2017 10:56 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, November 13, 2017 10:56 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Once he appeared on that Alex Jones show, I think I was off the bus for good. I know that doesn't make him a Harvey Weinstein level creep, but I still find in nearly impossible to enjoy to the early SP albums without 2017 Billy Corgan ruining the experience for me. It reminds me of that thread from a while back that posed questions like "What if Billy Corgan shot himself in 1992 and Kurt Cobain lived to appear on Infowars in 2017?"
― enochroot, Monday, 13 November 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
trying to think what women might fall into this category, but no, i can only think of shitbag men. dozens of them.
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 13 November 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
moe tucker maybe, but that's hardly even on the same scale of awfulness
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 13 November 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
no.
― Mark G, Monday, 13 November 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
people are giving lou reed way too much of a pass. the dude beat his first wife
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/oct/13/lou-reed-new-biography-domestic-violence-abuse-women
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 13 November 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
nico
― Karl Malone, Monday, 13 November 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, November 13, 2017 11:22 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not music, but Marion Zimmer Bradley books are going to be hard to read
― President Keyes, Monday, 13 November 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
Also by virtually all accounts acted terribly towards, oh, everyone, for, oh, a lifetime xxp - he just wasn't a good person
― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
Marion Zimmer Bradley is a very good example, ugh
― omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
Nico another v good example - I haven't listened to anything by her in forever but there's stuff I absolutely love, & I never really associate what I'm playing with the piece of shit who committed an irl hate crime
― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
trying to think what women might fall into this category,
Brigette Bardot, possibly.
Claudine Longet probably murdered Spider Sabich.
Still listen to both, though.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
what if these people repent/regret their awful deeds?
like bowie used to be a fascist but i assume by the time of his death he no longer was one
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
claudine's records are cool. spider probably had it coming. as long as she didn't murder beloved sweater-wearer andy williams, we're good.
― scott seward, Monday, 13 November 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
i can't listen to john martyn records after reading what beverley wrote about him. ugh.
― scott seward, Monday, 13 November 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
Bowie was a dress up fascist on coke for like five minutes Lori Lightning thing is way more troubling tbh
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
Miles Davis beat women but Moka’s concern is his alleged “racism”?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
wasnt dressing up part of everything he did tho
xp
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Monday, November 13, 2017 4:31 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Warum brichst du mir mein herz ;_;
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 13 November 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
ja, das ist wahr
you didn't know about nico? i only learned about her terrible opinions a year or two ago. hell, my awakening to the sad truth is probably documented on an ilx thread (probably me posting "aw dammit, nico. fuck!" or something similar)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 13 November 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
― JRN, Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:54 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Jesus fucking christ, I hadn't heard of this...
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 13 November 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
we are supposed to list albums. allow me to get this back on track: Greatest Hits and i think we can all agree, 20th Century Masters
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link