Albums you own or used to own from artists that turned out to be awful people.

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It was in a review somewhere, I've been wanting to read the book.

MaresNest, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:23 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think there is something about him being horrible to Cosey's cat or dog or something.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:26 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Art Sex Music you mean? Still on my stack of books to read, too.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

xp jesus that excerpt

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:37 (eleven months ago) Permalink

uhhhh

imago, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

quite a few of the country blues guys I like from the 20s and 30s killed people and got up to other stuff which is pretty awful by most measures. I don't think that's part of the appeal, but there are definitely some songs that have a certain sort of poison in which is pretty intense.

I'm not sure if there are people who have become better/reflected on things when they couldn't make a living off their art, or if the attention an artist has gotten has fed into their destructive behaviour, but I don't see stopping listening to something as much of a corrective. I think these things are mostly about the effect on the listener. Also I think making art can be a good thing for Awful People to do

ogmor, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I've got a couple of (good) Gaslamp Killer albums. I guess he hasn't been convicted yet.

chap, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

xp

Skip James comes to mind.

calzino, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure if there are people who have become better/reflected on things when they couldn't make a living off their art, or if the attention an artist has gotten has fed into their destructive behaviour, but I don't see stopping listening to something as much of a corrective. I think these things are mostly about the effect on the listener. Also I think making art can be a good thing for Awful People to do

Seems OTM to me

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:55 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I can't see myself listening to that Ducktails l.p. I really liked again.

kraudive, Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I will listen to TG again. What's that about?

kraudive, Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Gen's whole thing is often nasty. He never hid it.

kraudive, Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Another one which I used to love is the debut from Crystal Castles. Always suspected Ethan was awful but not to that degree. I’m still conflicted about it because some of their songs are really good.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:01 (eleven months ago) Permalink

several rock n roll artists liked underage girls a bit too much: Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis...

You might remember Chuck did prison time for having sex with a 14 year old and then for videotaping women in bathrooms in his restaurant. Seems people forget how much of a creep he was...
there’s an interesting NPR article about it:
https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/07/15/422964981/the-cruel-truth-about-rock-and-roll

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:14 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I hate that I can reconcile drawing the line for some artists and not others. I guess it really depends on how much I liked them before I learned their stories, and that's a bullshit excuse.

I've never given a damn about R. Kelly. When people flip over Ignition (Remix), I roll my damn eyes.

But Bowie or Marvin Gaye or John Lennon or Jimmy Page? I fucking hate myself that I still freely listen to them all.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

re: Jerry Lee Lewis

This story about the death of his wife got waaaaay buried over the years, because I only learned about it a few months ago. He probably got away with an actual murder.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-strange-and-mysterious-death-of-mrs-jerry-lee-lewis-19840301

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink

What did Bowie do?

chap, Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:23 (eleven months ago) Permalink

What the fuck? how is that story not more famous?

I’ve never liked John Lennon myself, even as a kid most of the Lennon songs felt icky to me, his whole hippie schtick ‘all you need is love’ mantra never fooled me.

Jimmy Page also conflicts me because what he was doing was terrible, pretty much raping and abusing an underage girl. But I like LZ music too much.

Wait what did Bowie and Gaye do? I’m not sure I want to know... this thread was a bad idea

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I’ve never liked John Lennon myself, even as a kid most of the Lennon songs felt icky to me, his whole hippie schtick ‘all you need is love’ mantra never fooled me.

That his better songs are generally his more abrasive is no coincidence.

chap, Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Phil Spector, definitely. He's universally hailed as one of the greatest producers of all time, but he actually killed someone! Plus he has a large history of being an abusive prick who pulls out a gun when women refuse his advances

But I still really like everything on Back to Mono? Idk, maybe it's mitigated by the fact that he was just the guy twiddling knobs in the background and never the star of the show like Ronnie Spector

josh az (2011nostalgia), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:00 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Actually not everything on it - forgot about "he hit me," that ones inexcusable

josh az (2011nostalgia), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

lol

thread idea is kind of silly but lets run with it

whats more interesting is how many ppl refuse to believe that the artists they listen to did do contentiously awful/bad things

eg michael jackson and like probably over 50% of artists/musicians (if were counting sleeping with groupies and doing drugs)

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah was going to mention Spector. There are songs like John Lennon’s Imagine which would have been huge with or without him and in the case of Let It Be he actually worsened the songs imho.

Not sure if the Ronettes would have been as huge without his touch though, he also wrote ‘be my baby’ iirc and that one’s their biggest hit.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i remember reading in an interview (possibly playboy?) that bowie gave mccartney or lennon head or something at like age 12 which would make either of the other two older than 16

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

also laurel canyon scene in the 60s/70s was filled with dirty rumours

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:19 (eleven months ago) Permalink

(X-post)

What? Sounds crazy.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:29 (eleven months ago) Permalink

of course it is ffs

Number None, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Anyhow, I'm sure the correct answer to the thread title is "pretty much the majority of them"

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i remember reading in an interview (possibly playboy?) that bowie gave mccartney or lennon head or something at like age 12 which would make either of the other two older than 16

I understand ILM is not the New York Times, but maybe we need a bit more substantiation before making highly inflammable accusations that name names, based on an interview you "remember reading."

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:33 (eleven months ago) Permalink

okay prince of wales

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Any reason for 12 year old Brixton schoolboy, David Jones, to be hanging about in Liverpool in the late 50s?

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

He maybe waiting for his man.

Mark G, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Waiting for his nan, more like.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

My cousn’s good friend’s sister’s aunt said she read somewhere that all the Bowie stuff happened in Hamburg. So it’s settled.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 12 November 2017 19:27 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I have two triple vinyl albums by Swans which set me back a fair whack and which I used to enjoy a lot and even still put on on occasion. but each time I do, i just can't separate the music from the man following the assault accusations against Michael Gira. As people have said upthread, there's a hypocrisy at work here, since I'll happily listen to music by a whole swathe of terrible people

Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Sunday, 12 November 2017 19:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i love his records dearly but i have no doubt at all that john martyn was a deeply horrible man

plp will eat itself (NickB), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:00 (eleven months ago) Permalink

led zeppelin

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm still listening to Gary Glitter, to be honest, though the Glitter Band albums were much better.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

(if were counting sleeping with groupies and doing drugs)

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:11 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are such a fucking moron that you'd literally place these two things on a parallel?

imago, Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

It's been interesting trying to quantify how greatly the reports of Jesse Lacey's (of the band Brand New) misbehavior has affected my ability to enjoy his music. The results have been ...intermittent

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:26 (eleven months ago) Permalink

how does Lou Reed fit into all this

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Like a sack of rancid shit. He's up there with Lennon re violence towards women.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Sunday, 12 November 2017 21:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

hey i had this name first xp

clouds, Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I had already bought a ticket to see Ariel Pink before the reports about the first show on the tour where he straddled his partner Charles on stage emerged. I knew he had made a lot of regressive comments in the press, and to some extent misogyny is written into the music anyway. But the stories about that show gave me some pause. I still ended up going, and while I was glad there was no physical abuse, real or feigned, taking place on stage, I also found it kind of a lackluster affair. He'd been more engaging at earlier shows where his behavior was more narcissistic (stage diving, drinking a lot, insulting the audience through a veil of echo on his microphone). I sort of WANT that from him. The dynamic of attraction and repulsion to what he does is part of what makes it compelling.

I was thinking about this too after seeing Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie a couple of weeks ago. At the show Buckingham talked a lot about a "karmic circle" that reunited him and McVie and thanked the audience for sharing in it, more than once. But the moment that seemed more truthful was when McVie mentioned sending her song ideas to him, with Buckingham basically altering them totally. He was vaguely defensive in his response before roaring that, as he does, "I had my way." This is all performance too (it was a very good performance!), but Buckingham was clearly playing on a publicly aired history of abusive, or at least aggressive, behavior.

For a more direct answer to the thread question: I actually did sell my handful of Flaming Lips albums some time after Erykah Badu complained that they'd exploited her nude images in a video, and Wayne Coyne responded with total flippancy. I can't remember if this was the main reason now, but over time the "niceness" of stuff like Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots had grown to seem disingenuous.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:13 (eleven months ago) Permalink

michael gira

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

a low cloud in this thread :p

calzino, Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:29 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, sure absolutely. That's absolutely what my fascination is about.

Doran, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think Mike Leander played most of the instruments on those early Gary Glitter records too.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:29 (eleven months ago) Permalink

glitter so lazy; probably also had other people molest children for him too

akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i used to really like rock'n'roll christmas when i was a kid

-_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i like 'doctorin the tardis' more than Rock N Roll

akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:06 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Thought of another one which is not cool:

Wyclef Jean accused of stealing money from Haiti charity fund

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wyclef-jean-faces-criminal-probe-over-haiti-charity-8209814.html?amp

http://www.factmag.com/2016/02/15/wyclef-jean-reddit-ama-haiti-yele/amp/

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 16 November 2017 00:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i owned a gary glitter 10" once but i spilled liquor on it and threw it away

brimstead, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Most spirits have a pH around 7, close to water, and should pose no threat to Gary Glitter records

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Thursday, 16 November 2017 03:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Those Gary Glitter glam singles sound incredible imo. An amped up metaller version of Lennon's Spector era records.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

cardiacs, ugh

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink

lol

imago, Thursday, 16 November 2017 11:12 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The thing about those early Gary Glitter singles is that they were as much of an influence on a certain generation of artists as David Bowie's glam stuff was. I'm thinking acts like the first incarnation of The Human League (who covered one of his songs in the early '80s) and Depeche Mode, amongst other new wave/synthpop/New Romantic acts.

I've seen recent interviews with Heaven 17's Glenn Gregory and Depeche Mode's Martin Gore where, when asked about their early influences, cite that early Gary Glitter stuff, but you can tell they're shocked and very much embarrassed by this - not because of anything to do with the music itself, but the actions of the person who fronted those records.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

^^^Spot on. I think prior to H17, Gregory (and Ware) worked with Glitter on a track for B.E.F. They described him to me as "a lunatic"... just generally speaking, no hint of the utter wrongness.

Doran, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

huh I hadn't made the connection to DM, HL and other NewRos, but you sure can hear his stuff in the Chinn/Chapman productions, the Runaways/Joan Jett, tons of poppier punk/metal stuff going into the 80s

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:01 (eleven months ago) Permalink

And beyond on other English bands like Earl Brutus and The Fall.

Doran, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:12 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Adam & the Ants.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:13 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, BEF put Gary in the studio with the Glitter Band, they had never recorded together.

Mark G, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:07 (eleven months ago) Permalink

G&M's Russell Smith picking up the counterpoint:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/good-art-by-bad-people-why-it-shouldnt-be-thrown-away/article37006883/

doug watson, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, Adam and the Ants too. Basically, if you got rid of all the music those early singles influenced, it'd leave a huge black hole in pop music.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:13 (eleven months ago) Permalink

lol, what did Adam and the Ants do? I have no knowledge of them.

how's life, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:19 (eleven months ago) Permalink

ruined a picnic

President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:23 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Ruined Eve.

nickn, Friday, 17 November 2017 17:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Explains the lack of pants

Evan, Friday, 17 November 2017 18:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I couldn't disown The Smiths as they made some of the best pop music ever (cliched but true!) and Johnny Marr's contributions are generally my favourite aspect of the group's songs anyway. Different story with Morrissey's career but I don't think I'd even like it much if he hadn't made the racist comments he has.

R Kelly is a difficult one for me. Knowing just some of the details regarding his repugnant behaviour doesn't stop me enjoying some of the songs, albeit a little less predisposed towards them than beforehand. I suppose I definitely find it easier to disown bad behaviour if I haven't known the artist's songs for years before finding out about it.

Custard Cream, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Adam and the Ants being another new wave act influenced by Gary Glitter, obviously.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:54 (eleven months ago) Permalink

*have known the artist's songs

Custard Cream, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:56 (eleven months ago) Permalink

they held up a carriage at gunpoint iirc

President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

don't drink don't smoke, what did they do?

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 18 November 2017 13:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

subtle innuendo follows

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 18 November 2017 13:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

must be something inside

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 18 November 2017 13:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

not sure how awful but a buddy of mine witnessed steven tyler go over to a girl at a restaurant and sit down next to her, pretending to be upset that she'd snapped a pic of him, then he was getting in her personal space and squeezing her and kissing her on the cheeks and she eventually got up and left, visibly uncomfortable, without eating any of her food. i saw some photos he took of it, she was "laughing it off" in the way that many women have described their reactions to unwanted advances but he was really, really in her space in a bad way. and at first my friend thought he was a crazy random sexual offender and not a rock star, he recognized him after a couple minutes.

omar little, Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:13 (eleven months ago) Permalink

the idea of it taking a couple of minutes to discern Steven Tyler is befuddling! but that sounds like a Steven Tyler move from what ive heard

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

"cardiacs, ugh

― mookieproof"

why? hasn't main guy from cardiacs been basically totally disabled for years and years?

akm, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

for almost the same length of time as 'bait lj' has been around tbh

imago, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

it's always with <3 from mookie though (i think)

imago, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Three counter examples :

Josh homme kicking olivieri out the band for physically abusing nick's girlfriend.

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, November 13, 2017 1:27 PM (three weeks ago)

cf. Josh Homme kicking a photographer in the face :(

jesus and figs and science and the foo fighters (unregistered), Sunday, 10 December 2017 20:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

Jeezus that vid. Just an unprovoked blow to the head while she's photographing.

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 December 2017 20:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

The kick, cutting himself, flipping off the crowd, yelling "fuck Muse"...scary behavior

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 December 2017 20:43 (ten months ago) Permalink

eh, comparatively speaking, the other stuff is typical dumbass rockstar posturing. is he usually above that sort of behavior?

jesus and figs and science and the foo fighters (unregistered), Sunday, 10 December 2017 21:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

No but all of it put together...

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 December 2017 21:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah this harshed my mellow for sure, was OFTM

In a slipshod style (Ross), Sunday, 10 December 2017 22:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

His between-song patter at Wembley a few weeks back was pretty damned weird. I know he fucked his leg and his arm before the tour, he was limping offstage at the end of the gig, I wonder if he's on lots of pain meds? Not excusing his shitty, shitty behaviour at the KROQ thing, of course.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Monday, 11 December 2017 12:47 (ten months ago) Permalink


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