Worst Fifth Film In A Series

(from the 1997 film The Love Bug)

^ by your own petard

hahaha but that's just some wiki editor! i don't have to use their same criteria!

I voted Terminator Genisys because at least the other movies at least try to have a plot.

at least

Would like to hear more about sic's cat-scale of movie rating

re: Die Hard discussion above, the production history of the third one is kind of hilarious

Like most of the films in the series, the premise of this film was repurposed from a stand-alone project. Various scripts were written for Die Hard 3; a number of them were ultimately rejected by Bruce Willis on the grounds that a number of them felt like retreads of the action movies that came in the wake of the first film.[3] One script, originally titled Troubleshooter, had McClane fighting terrorists on a Caribbean cruise line, but was rejected for being too similar to Under Siege.[4] Troubleshooter was later repurposed for Speed 2: Cruise Control.[3]

The script ultimately used was intended for a film entitled Simon Says, originally positioned as a Brandon Lee vehicle, and the character of Zeus was written with an actress in mind. Warner Bros. bought the script and rewrote it as a Lethal Weapon sequel. Warners later put the script in turnaround, only to be purchased by Fox and rewritten as a Die Hard film.[3]

god that explains so much

only memorable (and not awful) thing is ken adam's design for the evil headquarters, which is possibly his masterpiece.

Amazing theme song/score as well, c'mon.

also Donald Pleasence is the best Blofeld

I forgot both of those but yes - agreed on both counts. Still would rather watch any other Connery Bond, assuming I'm allowed to fall asleep during Thunderball.

pleasence is the best blofeld, regardless it takes 100 years to get to his scenes

Still would rather watch any other Connery Bondp

It's better than Diamonds Are Forever, surely?

I kinda like that one's low-rent weirdness... Bond in a completely ordinary, low-speed car chase in Vegas, stuck getting in and out of parking lots... driving around in dune buggies, escaping from tunnels etc. Good use of a John Lautner house with the campy Bambi and Thumper stuff, nice bit at the beginning when he shows up at Jill St. John's place in Amsterdam... I dunno, there's more stuff I like. OTOH you trade racism for homophobia so on the whole I'd say dud.

Yeah, the death of the gay couple at the end as a button is pretty reprehensible, villains tho they are.

Then again, a ton of things about the series in general are pretty reprehensible. I'm fine never revisiting the Bond universe again tbh.

i had a lot of fun going through the whole series recently but it is.... mostly not very good

Thing about bond is that it's treated like blockbuster/classic/quality stuff when the only way to enjoy it is by treating it as cult/niche/bargain bin trash or as a guilty pleasure.

There isn't four good movies in the job lot otherwise

yeah I think I've posted about this before but it's so bizarre how they're thought of as this top-drawer action-thriller series, when in reality the majority are rather tepid talking-in-rooms affairs punctuated by action that's typically shot and edited in a completely dull, flat fashion. i don't think there's an actually compelling, tense, high-energy action sequence until the dalton era. which is weird cause the same guy directed the last three moore snoozers. but anyway they're like sick-day comfort movies, not edge-of-your-seat spy thriller car chase movies.

I voted Terminator Genisys because at least the other movies at least try to have a plot.

no way, the problem with genisys is that is has too much godawful plot

Thing about bond is that it's treated like blockbuster/classic/quality stuff when the only way to enjoy it is by treating it as cult/niche/bargain bin trash or as a guilty pleasure.

I think the music and production design often lifts the series above that, but in terms of writing, direction and acting you're generally right.

Russia with Love and Goldfinger have great action sequences long before Dalton (Shaw/Connery on a train is one of the hardest hitting fight scenes ever imo). But after that it's one Dalton, first Brosnan and 2/3 of a Craig out of what, 25 big budget efforts?

Yes to music, no to production design, possibly offer marketing/branding instead

i remember From Russia with Love being pretty damn good, and of course about a third of it is a ripoff of North by Northwest.

yes James Bond sucks obviously

nah I'll defend the design - the evil lairs are awesome in all but the weakest entries. and yeah the shaw fistfight rules. but people talk about the movies as if the posters never lie - wall to wall excitement and intrigue!!! - and it's nonsense, i mean you compare the boat crap in live and let die with, say, the big chase in the french connection and it's laughable.

From Russia With Love is good because it has an actual plot, unlike most Bonds. But have you seen Dr. No recently? Boring as hell up to the final act - almost nothing happens.

But maybe we should take this onto a Bond thread.

But after that it's one Dalton, first Brosnan and 2/3 of a Craig out of what, 25 big budget efforts?

man goldeneye is not that good

haha yeah i think we have some version of this conversation in each thread for each new bond movie. i think this is the most robust general bond thread: which is the best James Bond movie?

counterpoint: Goldeneye is that good and a bag of chips.

James Bond sucks, thread was right the first time

AF otm

Goldeneye sucks. bish bosh I'm smashing shit with a tank, vv secret agent

train fight in Russia With Love is great, and there are at least two good chases in OHMSS, the best Bond film

Voted other, for Scars Of Dracula (arguably the sixth film, if you count Brides Of Dracula, which I don't because Dracula isn't in it), I don't even like it that much but it's still my favourite fifth film.

Poll is for worst though :(

Silly me, forgot the damn title of the thread. I haven't seen a single one of these films in whole and don't intend to.

Goldeneye is the Bond that people roughly around my age (b. 1978) tend to love the most because it is the first one that we would have seen theatrically with our friends instead of watching on TV with our dads (that's exactly my experience, anyway; I'm told the massively popular video game might have had a lot to do with it as well). I watched it again a few years ago and thought it was pretty mediocre--for as much abuse as The World Is Not Enough takes, it has a better villain and more memorable scenes.

train fight in Russia With Love is great, and there are at least two good chases in OHMSS, the best Bond film

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sic 100 percent otm

cryptosicko you are on my wavelength but i don't think i'm allowed to rep for the world is not enough anymore

anyway sorry for continuing The Indefinite Bond Tangent

this would be a much easier "Best" vote tbh ("Seed of Chucky")

seed of chucky is so fucking good

Attack of the Clones is extremely bad, i had decent memories of the Obi-Wan stuff but watching some of those scenes out of context recently i realized they were only decent compared to the other storylines. i guess the Obi-Wan business came as a relief.

i still remember the single worst part of this film that had the audience in laughter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwUAb5EFimQ

i mean everything about this very simple & brief scene, the dialogue exchange and the framing and the movement of the characters, is remarkably terrible.

rogue nation may be the best one here, out of what i've seen. tom cruise always commits to the ethan hunt role, and rebecca ferguson is *amazing*.

otm

I’m pretty sure most of you haven’t seen Battle for the Planet of the Apes or it’d be getting a lot more discussion here. It’s easily the worst of these that I’ve seen.

i have the apes dvd set, and i watched all of them except battle. i quit after 20 minutes.

Goldeneye is the Bond that people roughly around my age (b. 1978) tend to love the most because it is the first one that we would have seen theatrically with our friends instead of watching on TV with our dads

I was born 78 and I've seen every one since Living Daylights in the cinema... (LD is one of my favourites, perhaps not coincidentally)

im def in that Goldeneye ageset. TBS Bond marathons is pretty much how i've seen most of them.

I abhor Brosnan bonds (born in 76) - but i was raised by a Connery loving Mum who barely even tolerated Moore (I personally enjoy Moore btw)

Brosnan is an extremely likable presence and makes a decent Bond, he's kind of halfway between Moore and Dalton for me persona-wise. i don't think those movies are very good overall, though Goldeneye has Sean Bean, one of the best femme fatales, and Martin Campbell does a very good job of directing it. it feels a little lightweight though.

lol yeah my dad hated Moore and thought he turned the series into a joke. i think he had read some of the books so he was always comparing the films to the books. Moore was the least believable as a trained killer secret agent rather than dopey pretty boy movie star