Maintaining a Digital Music Collection

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Seems like some error is bound to creep in...

calstars, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link

it already exists, it's called musicbrainz picard and beets for the more technically inclined

scoff walker (diamonddave85), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link

Really, it can do that? OK, checking this out, thanks.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

apparently iTunes can't count artists beyond 9,800? i know i should stop using itunes but the songs still _play_

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 10 February 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link

I have no where near that many artists but I noticed my itunes being really choppy lately. Thinking about finally transferring over to Media Monkey - not sure if that'll help your 9.8k artist situation, though.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Sunday, 11 February 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link

I don't know my artist count, but Media Monkey has been able to handle my 130k-song database. However, when i last loaded the entire stax it required many, many days to load via a USB 2.0 interface.

bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, 17 February 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link

I'm up to 907 GB in iTunes now and it runs fine on a late 2013 iMac.

skip, Saturday, 17 February 2018 08:22 (six years ago) link

How many days of listening does 903 GB of music equate to?

calstars, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link

Sorry 907

calstars, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link

jesus that's a lot of music, even if it's all FLAC

Dinsdale, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:29 (six years ago) link

skip's real name is "kevin spotify"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 February 2018 13:01 (six years ago) link

xp don't think iTunes does FLAC even at this late date, are there plugins?

I have >3TB, long past using any "library" software, just alphabetized folders that get dumped into VLC to play

sleeve, Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link

I've been doing more pruning of my digital collection, something I really haven't done for 20 years of accumulating it. If I have heard music and feel ambivalent towards it, it's being deleted, forever. Promising debuts by artists with disappointing sophomore slumps have been hit hardest. Life is too short to listen to everything, and I'm not preparing a time capsule for future cultural historians.

Acanthonus armatus (Sanpaku), Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link

nevermind, i figured out the artist issue, it was sorting by the "album artist" and a lot of my "album artist" tags were junk.

i should probably stop adding music to my library at some point but i keep hearing more great music. do you know i'd never heard "chase" by giorgio moroder until this week? what a great tune! anyway i can't possibly keep track of all the stuff that's in my library right now, even as heavily curated as it is.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link

I've been doing more pruning of my digital collection, something I really haven't done for 20 years of accumulating it. If I have heard music and feel ambivalent towards it, it's being deleted, forever. Promising debuts by artists with disappointing sophomore slumps have been hit hardest. Life is too short to listen to everything, and I'm not preparing a time capsule for future cultural historians.

― Acanthonus armatus (Sanpaku)

i can't make it past the regret. anytime i delete something i want to listen to it again the next day. (if i get that far. "do i really need abu lahab's 'as chastened angels descend into the thoracic tombs'?" i ask myself. i can't even remember what it sounds like. and so i put it on to remind myself and HOLY SHIT THIS IS AWESOME.) plus i'm now manually syncing the libraries on my desktop and my laptop, which is just a mess. even if i did delete, say, the fourth "uncle acid" album (which i don't think i would regret), not only would i have to do it twice, but it would wind up being a drop in an extremely large bucket.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link

you could always just download it again? unless it's very rare/niche

niels, Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link

yeah rare/niche is kind of what i do :( i got stuff in my library i'm pretty sure i'd never be able to find again if i lost it.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link

xp

343 days

skip, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link

What! That’s way less time than I expected.

Ideally you should have enough to last beyond your life expectancy.

calstars, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link

^ that's still kind of insane, though. That's still going 1,029 days - assuming you listen 8 hours a day - without repeating songs, lol.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link

It would be interesting to figure out the real-world equivalent if they were records or CDs...

skip, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link

How much space it would take up, I mean.

skip, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link

Nice:

More than any single moment with any one record, however, this illogical trip with an unwieldy Case Logic binder has reaffirmed for me the supremacy of the compact disc when it comes to deep, dedicated listening. Sure, records are prettier and bolder, individually grooved art pieces available for the mass market. And streams and downloads are the epitome of convenience, a moving at-the-fingertips library that lets you hopscotch between rabbit holes of subgenres and discover artists in less time than it takes to drive to the record store. CDs split the difference, giving you the mobility and clarity of a digital file while giving you an object to grasp, to study, to treasure. Away from home from a year or so without almost all of my belongings, seeing my initials scrawled on discs I’ve had since middle school is a surreal and welcome emotional connection.

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/what-i-learned-road-tripping-across-north-america-with-one-of-those-giant-cd-binders/

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 10:17 (six years ago) link

Great article. Thanks for the link, AC.

doug watson, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link

I have four of those cases lol

Simon H., Tuesday, 27 February 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link

Love to spin CDs

brimstead, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link

I just have a 14x14x14 box, with every CD I bought and kept (~800?) from Never Mind the Bullocks to Silent Shout in space saving sleeves that were ripped in 2004, and have moved from storage to storage for the past dozen years, never to be opened.

It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link

I have a slew of such cases for CDs that on the one hand I did want to keep -- ultimate backups for my digital collection -- but that I didn't want to simply have around as is due to space. And I'm quite grateful.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link

I have four of those cases lol

― Simon H., Tuesday, February 27, 2018 9:57 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have... 7 or 8? And some of them are the high capacity ones that are like 7" across the spine

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link

Never thought I’d see the day when CDs are regarded with such reverence. I haven’t looked back from liquidation.

calstars, Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link

I lived through the introduction of CDs and will probably never shake the impression that they are FUTURISTIC and NIFTY

Having gone through a bunch of fairly ruthless purges of both CDs and vinyl, and spending a decade listening to music on shit MP3s through shit amplification and shit speakers (but convenience!) I have now come 360 to shiny discs again.

Being able to buy great random music for $2 a disc has been an extremely rewarding way to expand my listening.

umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link

“I lived through the introduction of CDs and will probably never shake the impression that they are FUTURISTIC and NIFTY“

Oh same here. In late 86 or 87 I had a friend who’s dad had one of the first small format CD players and copies of Sargeant Pepper and Run DMC,’s Raising Hell ... it was magic.

calstars, Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:43 (six years ago) link

My teen friend's father had Graceland and Peter Gabriel's So, for their $800 sci-fi looking NAD player. At the time, the main advantage seemed to be that I didn't have to clean the discs after each play, as we would for the father's vinyl.

I'm not really nostalgic. I owned some of the World Serpent label discs that decayed in a few years, so I knew, rather early on, that CDs were ephemeral, they wouldn't last as long as I would...

I spent a decade (or more) pretending to be a curator for future generations, collecting things that represented a moment. Then worrying about CD rot and HD crashes and data redundancy. I can only imagine the anxiety real librarians feel with digital media.

I still insist on buying the content I like, so that I at least have a digital copy without the potential for future IP restrictions. Most corporations have a finite lifespan, and I don't think Apple is immune.

Life was easier when one just bought slabs of PVC, and only had to worry about them not being left in a hot car...

It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 March 2018 05:00 (six years ago) link

I still think it's fairly easy - buy CDs that are worth owning, sell the ones that don't speak to you anymore, be honest with yourself about which is which.

I rip everything when it arrives - it takes hardly any time to rip, tag and file.

My Sonos speakers are sufficient but I dream of a day when I've got a killer system, in a room that's acoustically appropriate. Maybe I'll play the shiny discs again at that point, too.

But convenience is king, and it's just so easy to point my phone to the appropriate output device. New headphones (Thinksound On2) have piqued my interest in quality but I don't think it's enough to invest in a DAC like a Dragonfly or convert to FLAC. I've spent years ripping, not going to do it again!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 1 March 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link

I still have 99% of everything; even the 8-tracks (most were my mom's, but i bought a few when they were still contemporary). Never having a lot of money to spend on music, each purchase received my full attention. By the time i had enough discretionary income, my knowledge and experience was such that i enjoyed a nearly bullet-proof success rate. I never really thought about ripping my stax; that is until recently...

A recent purchase of a 4TB portable hard drive for $100 has got me thinking i might. EAC has shown that it can accurately tag some recent test rips so maybe the prospect isn't as ominous as i once thought.

bodacious ignoramus, Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link

You will need to let go of any concern or anxiety about proper capitalization if you are undertaking a large auto-tagging project. The spelling mistakes are pretty minimal though!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link

I've fully given up on owning any more digital music than will fit on my laptop at any given time

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link

so you just delete the weaklings?

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link

yep

between streaming and CDs and vinyl, there's no real reason for me to have an external that you then have to back up with another external

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link

I gotta have an external HD for my digital comics hoard anyway, so i'm already in for a penny w/r/t that

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link

Oh, that's a trip I haven't taken yet. I've got thousands of comics (I purge them very infrequently, too) and have thoughts about digital subscriptions but, meh, only so much time in the day and I'm perpetually backlogged in reading physical copies.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link

Each digital sale should come with a little charm that collectors can put on their record collection charm bracelet so that they have an object to treasure

Dan I., Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link

my comics files are all illegal ones, I haven't done the digital subscription thing. All I want is 60s, 70s and 80-85 marvels and weird forgotten indie stuff from the 80s, the sub services are not deep in this area. Also I want to read old comics that have not been recolored and who are printed on a ground of yellow paper

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

I moved my ~1200 cds across the country 12 years ago and listened to maybe 20 of them since but I did have to move them all across town twice. I moved back across the country last summer and for some reason took them all with me, after packing about half of them into think plastic sleeves. They've been sitting in boxes in a spare room since July and I finally moved all of them to the basement where I will probably never look at them ever again.

All of them are ripped to MP3 and if I remember something I forgot to rip I can almost always find it online in some way, as none of my computers has an optical drive anymore. I think I have an external one in a box somewhere. I never bothered to hook up my 1992 Sony 5-disc changer and I think there might be a CD player under a panel in my car but I've never bothered to look.

That said, I do really miss road trips with limited numbers of CDs as your only entertainment.

joygoat, Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link

yeah, having limited options is v underrated post web

niels, Friday, 2 March 2018 09:58 (six years ago) link

I think it kind of depends on the length of the road trip. I moved from Tampa to Portland, OR (and back again) years ago. That's 50+ hours and I don't use binders, so that would be a shit-ton of CDs. I could make do with only CDs for a reasonable distance, though. Then again, I usually will listen to the full album on my ipod anyway, so it doesn't matter (other than the sound quality of the CD, obv).

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Sunday, 4 March 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Got this email from Amazon tonight:

Amazon Music is retiring the Music Storage service, which allows customers to upload and store up to 250 songs in a personal cloud library. Our records indicate you have uploaded one or more songs through your Amazon account in the past.

To keep, download, and play your uploaded songs at no extra cost, simply open a web browser, go to your Music Settings and click the “Keep my songs” button to direct us to save your music to the cloud. Otherwise your uploaded songs will be removed from your library on April 30, 2018.

Your Amazon Music digital purchases will continue to remain securely stored for playback and download -- no further action is required to retain those. These changes will not impact your ability to stream Prime Music or Amazon Music Unlimited.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 30 March 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link

250 songs what a joke

brendon urine (diamonddave85), Friday, 30 March 2018 02:03 (six years ago) link

rip

map, Friday, 30 March 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link

i can play 250 songs off my earlope

bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 1 April 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link


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